Spell Scrolls in Skyyrim

Post » Sun May 02, 2010 7:10 pm

I hated how non Magic characters where at a disadvantage because they had no access to levitation or mark or recall spell, Heck in elder scrolls daggerfall Mark//recall practically required or you will never get any quest done, A lot of people are complaining about spell scrolls are a unfair way non magic characters can use magic but come on magic elder scrolls is Broken spell scrolls will give non spell oriented characters a way to fast travel or a way to be enemies that are not effected by their gear and stealth characters invisibility which they will need to complete quest that sneaking alone won't get them through like the dark brotherhood quest where you were sent out to kill valen dreath believe me sneaking wont help you past those guards, so I just want to see the members opinion about spell scrolls.
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Bethany Watkin
 
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 7:27 pm

It was stupid. Why should there be Magic skills, when anyone and their mothers could just pick up a spell scroll and be an instant master wizard?
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 6:40 am

I hated how non Magic characters where at a disadvantage because they had no access to levitation or mark or recall spell, Heck in elder scrolls daggerfall Mark//recall practically required or you will never get any quest done, A lot of people are complaining about spell scrolls are a unfair way non magic characters can use magic but come on magic elder scrolls is Broken spell scrolls will give non spell oriented characters a way to fast travel or a way to be enemies that are not effected by their gear and stealth characters invisibility which they will need to complete quest that sneaking alone won't get them through like the dark brotherhood quest where you were sent out to kill valen dreath believe me sneaking wont help you past those guards, so I just want to see the members opinion about spell scrolls.
Daggerfall didn't need a mark/recall to finish any quests, they gave you enough time and you could mark your dungeon map to know where the exit was. I've been playing over the last year an argonian thief with no magical ability at all, and he gets along just fine in the world. I did complete the Valen Dreath quest for the brotherhood without spell scrolls, it was designed so that you could.

It was stupid. Why should there be Magic skills, when anyone and their mothers could just pick up a spell scroll and be an instant master wizard?
I agree with you, and I feel that spell scrolls destroy role playing.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 1:40 pm

It was stupid. Why should there be Magic skills, when anyone and their mothers could just pick up a spell scroll and be an instant master wizard?


Well, when you use a scroll it's gone. So you get to be a master wizard for a whole second then it's back to cold steel. Besides, most of the scrolls I found in Oblivion were so weak they weren't even worth using. At best they turned me into an aspiring wizard for a few seconds.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 2:54 pm

It was stupid. Why should there be Magic skills, when anyone and their mothers could just pick up a spell scroll and be an instant master wizard?

Then remove mark and recall a spell like that broke the game for me that if I have a high mysticism skill I could travel instantly from place to place with ease.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 9:48 am

Why does it matter? It's a single player game, use and do what you want.

And I don't think they;re were any exceptionally powerful scrolls, if there were they were really rare.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 6:16 am

which they will need to complete quest that sneaking alone won't get them through like the dark brotherhood quest where you were sent out to kill valen dreath believe me sneaking wont help you past those guards, so I just want to see the members opinion about spell scrolls.


I've done the Dark Brotherhood quest you refer to multiple times without ever using Chameleon or Invisibility- I made it through on stealth alone. So as for "believe me sneaking wont help you past those guards," I don't believe you. I'd love to see spell scrolls removed...it's not like learning magic skills is all that difficult anyway.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 8:26 pm

i liked seeing them it added the the experience that this world is actually influenced by magic.
the only problem i ever had with them, is that you never see and enemy use them.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 10:03 am

Why does it matter? It's a single player game, use and do what you want.

And I don't think they;re were any exceptionally powerful scrolls, if there were they were really rare.


Morrowind had a handful of fun ones. For Oblivion I usually only used open lock and charm scrolls.

I think scrolls can add some nice variety to the game if they're done well. I've never seen them as a viable replacement for magic skills but as something nice to have in a pinch. For that they need to be a lot more powerful and a little more rare. Cluttering my inventory with weak fireball spells doesn't cut it.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 8:00 am

Yes I want them. Because they can allow low leveled players to find scrolls that have really really powerful spell effects.
I remember Morrowind had some very nice scrolls that gave you the fastest levitation in the game, and such.

Spell scrolls aren't just good for low leveled people and warriors though. They are also good for high leveled mages, who might be silenced and such. In addition, some powerful spell effects and combinations from scrolls could never be achieved in Morrowind by simple magic spells, even though you had 100 intelligence. This made scrolls pretty useful before bosses no matter what level you were in Morrowind ;)
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 5:23 am

I remember the scrolls being almost necessary for non magic focused players for that OB quest in the ruins where you had to cast multiple spells on the staircase to make it open up. Sorry for being vague Im assuming that someone knows what Im talking about. Anyways I liked the scrolls... for casters you could get some money for them for non casters they were fun to use.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 6:22 pm

Maybe the spell scrolls should be as powerful as your skill in that level, but still more powerful than a spell you could cast with your current skill level, meaning mages and non-mages would benefit of the spell scroll %:ually in the same way.

Example:

Orc with destruction 5, finds this spell scroll:
Fire damage, 100 pts, on target.

Now, as his skill in destruction is 5, the scroll could do 40 fire damages instead.

Altmer with destruction 100, finds the same scroll:
fire damage, 100 pts, on target.

His skill would actually boost the power of the scroll, granting a cool 160 pts of fire damage.

Sounds like [censored]? Sounds like a solid way of solving the problem?
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 9:26 pm

The game is called elder SCROLLS so the more scrolls the better. But I like the scrolls in MW better then Ob Personly.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 2:01 pm

Overall I think having them was cool. I do not think they replaced being a mage, but gave you an edge here and there. I'd kind of like the D&D ability to scribe scrolls to your spell book(in elder scrolls learn the spell), maybe limit it to ones that you have enough magika to cast or whatever.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 8:40 pm

Voted yes.

It would be even better if we could make spell scrolls ourselves in Skyrim!
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 7:28 am

Spell scrolls and potions should be included, we don't need less variety in TES:V than TES:IV. If they remove scrolls they might as well just remove potions and staves and call it "The Elder Swords".


That said, they should enable scroll creation again so we can make scrolls like we could in Morrowind. They had paper in oblivion so it looked like they just ran out of development time for that one.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 3:36 pm

Spell scrolls and potions should be included, we don't need less variety in TES:V than TES:IV. If they remove scrolls they might as well just remove potions and staves and call it "The Elder Swords".
There are elder scrolls games without spell scrolls, and they have better role playing for it.

That said, they should enable scroll creation again so we can make scrolls like we could in Morrowind. They had paper in oblivion so it looked like they just ran out of development time for that one.
I don't recall that being a part of Morrowind, could it have been a mod?
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 11:11 am

Meh, I never play magic characters, so they've come in handy for me once or twice as last-resort persuasion methods and one-off defense measures (it helps to have a powerful fire-scroll on-hand in a dungeon full of Trolls, or something to make a stubborn NPC talk).
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 6:44 pm

I hope they make scrolls unique like in Morrowind. rather than name the spell the exact same thing as the spell stored in the scroll, make it sould like a unique spell, such as "scroll of taldam's scorcher" or "scroll of ondusi's unhinging" (I think thats how it was done in MW, its been a while so maybe i'm wrong). anyway make it so they sound special, not "flare" or "charm", that sounds boring.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 9:01 pm

I don't recall that being a part of Morrowind, could it have been a mod?


Not likely, since I never played Morrowind modded and had the ability to create scrolls. Same as enchanting anything else, only you use a soul gem to enchant a piece of paper with an "on use" effect. Ta-da, spell scroll.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 9:13 am

Why does it matter? It's a single player game, use and do what you want.

And I don't think they;re were any exceptionally powerful scrolls, if there were they were really rare.

Agreed.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 4:07 pm

I never used scrolls in Oblivion, I never felt the need to and have a problem using one-time use items like that. I always worry if I should save it for later when I need it more, and end up saving it forever.

So far in Morrowind I use them, for that Intervention stuff to get around, and sometimes in those OH [censored] situations (Morrowind is actually slightly challenging at times, unlike Oblivion)
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 4:16 pm

I don't recall that being a part of Morrowind, could it have been a mod?

No it was not a mod, it was vanilla morrowind, use enchanting on paper and you make a scroll, it was part of using your skills (enchanting) to be a mage, and assisted in managing a limited mana pool.
It was in morrowind for all its expansions and made roleplaying a mage better than it was in oblivion. :thumbsup:

But then again, scrolls were not random loot drops in morrowind. There were few very powerfull scrolls to be found in the world, or you had to buy/make them, and they were not cheap because of the soul gem consumed to make them.

Oblivion made scrolls cheap and trashy. Yet another example of how oblivion dumbed down a perfectly working game mechanic because of a rushed schedule. /shrug
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 9:05 am

I like spell scrolls but I think that they should probably have some requirements for their use.

For example, in order to use a fireball scroll you would need at least 15 ranks in destruction. For using a summon scamp scroll you would need 20 points in conjuration, and 75 for summoning a Xivilai.

This would allow mages to prepare spells ahead of time and cast them without depleting their precious mana, or use the scrolls after their mana was depleted to get out of a tough situation. This would only work well if they went back to the system where mana only regenerates while you sleep though, otherwise it would be pretty pointless.
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Post » Sun May 02, 2010 7:03 pm

No it was not a mod, it was vanilla morrowind, use enchanting on paper and you make a scroll, it was part of using your skills (enchanting) to be a mage, and assisted in managing a limited mana pool.
It was in morrowind for all its expansions and made roleplaying a mage better than it was in oblivion. :thumbsup:

But then again, scrolls were not random loot drops in morrowind. There were few very powerfull scrolls to be found in the world, or you had to buy/make them, and they were not cheap because of the soul gem consumed to make them.

Oblivion made scrolls cheap and trashy. Yet another example of how oblivion dumbed down a perfectly working game mechanic because of a rushed schedule. /shrug
I'd agree that Oblivion made scrolls cheap and trashy, but in turn I feel that spell scrolls make magic cheap and trashy, murdering the role playing.
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