I still consider New Vegas a spin-off it's always given me that feeling. :shrug:

People,listen carefully!
I Like FO3!

You know, 3 is actually really the odd one out with the inconsistent lore and stuff.
But hell, you don't have to be a fan-boy to like NV more than 3. Common sense = use it.

Funny, you're making it sound like the many who don't like NV but like F3 are idiots, I have played every Fallout game (haven't beaten Tactics or F2 yet) and I find New Vegas the worst (ofcourse I'm not counting the Burned Game).

It was dull and there was nothing dangerous or even difficult about the game, as you say "Common sense= use it."

And F3 conitnues the Enclave's story with FEV and such. The NCR played a minor role in F2 so it's not like a game all about them and new factions should be F3 instead of a game about the Brotherhood and the Enclave with supermutants playign a major role too.

The thing is, I too have played every Fallout game (I stayed the hell away from the burned game) but I find Fallout 3 to be the worst, second to PoS.

When I first played Fallout 3 I thought it was amazing and original, with everything being Bethesda's amazing writing skills and plot... Then I picked up the 'Fallout Trilogy' pack and played Fallout 1 and 2, and realized that literally every single thing they did was a recap and recycled verison of the original games.

The ONE thing they did to try and please the older fans is add in the Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, Mutants, and the FEV.

But you know what?

THAT MAKES NO DAMN SENSE! The FEV was only in West-Tek facilities, it was stated in the first game damn it. The Brotherhood of Steel? They literally had no point or reason in travelling east; nobody knew what in the hell was there, if anything was there at all. You don't send a full blown chapter or division of ANYTHING out across the nation blindly- it's like being in the middle ages and putting every soldier in an army into a boat and start sailing across the sea trying to find land with no idea the first thing about the world, it is suicide. People, armies, or whatever the hell it is you want to call them would only move if there was something with tactical value; which there wasn't.

The Enclave? Okay, this can be a bit more understandable, they got beaten and lost their homebase to the Chosen One and then get hunted down and slaughtered by the NCR... But they go ALL the way across the states? Really? Nobody would do that, no matter how hard the defeat... Say it was Italy, if they lost their cities, they would not run to the middle east because of it. That's how their supposed 'Tactical' retreat was, nonsense.

Super Mutants? Good god, how on earth does this make ANY sense at all? There were no more VAT area's, no more facilities, but yet somehow some were shipped to Vault 87 for an 'experiment' when they had a whole damn facility, no wait, TWO whole damned facilities to test the damn stuff... seriously, it's like Bethesda looked at the wikipedia, skimmed over the storyline and factions and said 'Oh, and this is mine, and this is mine, and this is mine!' like that one kid from A Christmas Story.

Oh, believe me, I have a whole damn lot more to say about Bethesda's 'original' storyline.

I agree, but for different reasons.
IMO FO2 is not a spin-off because it's aimed at the same players, and retains the same gameplay. It could have been about brahmin herders in the mountains (with no ties to Vault 13) and still could have been a good sequel IMO.

Tactics [IMO] is a spinoff because its not an RPG, Its a linear mission game, where the gameplay is mostly just 'assault & overcome the enemy' using an improved FO2 combat system.

Really? I dunno they are pretty close games; I would even argue that FO3 seems a direct descendant from FOBOS and not FO2. :shrug:
(but with FO2 influences... I don't see a lot of FO1 influences. do you? )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPkVY088VE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir9hoprToUE&NR=1#t=00m57s

I wish that I had enough space to fit this entire post in my SIG. :foodndrink:

You're a world class hero I'll say that. Bethesda crossed the line with their "I own the franchise I can do whatever the hell I want" view.
When you buy a franchise you either want to keep it alive and stay true to it; or you just rip off whatever parts you can and make money from it. I'd say Bethesda showed their colors with FO3.

Boradam I bow to your infinite wisdom. You're so right with this. It's as if you took all my thoughts on Fallout 3's story and typed them out .

Urm, I couldn't give a rats [censored] if you or many others prefer F3. All I was commenting on was his snide remark about "obsidian [censored]" and other assumptions. It works both ways too you know?

Prefering NV over F3 =/= Obsidifreak (copyright Caroline89)

Also, in my opinion jamming in some names from previous titles (Enclave, BOS, mutants) for the sake of fanservice might be good enough for you. But those elements were handled like crap.
Boradam basicly summed it up for me and deserves tea and crumpets. :foodndrink:

I am a little nervous about Fallout 4. For Skyrim, ALL I have been hearing is "this has been streamlined", "this has been cut" "too complicated" "armor and greaves are now together", I wouldn't doubt if they removed Perception and just call it C.E.S.I.A.L. and axe even more skills such as Explosives, because it's too complicated by the fact you have to take your shots carefully, and they will be removing the strength/endurance effects that apply to Melee/Unarmed, because a weak Asian sharpshooter should hit just as well with a sledgehammer as an African who is built on strength and endurance.

Honestly, you are scaring me right now. But no, even Bethesda isn't dumb like that to pull this stunt on us. :fallout:

Bethesda is not that kind of dumb company to remove S.P.E.C.I.A.L

And if they do, then BRING BACK G.U.R.P.S

Oh and BTW, EA CNC is better then Westwood CNC IMO


You guy are too hooked to the past, chill it out already, is not even funny anymore the way you behave

Ea cnc was a giant turd

oh the glorious irony

What irony

just wait for westoftherockies to return and talk more

You mean, the whole, stook in the past?, I didnt stook in the past, but I do respect the older games because they were the base of the New ones, but sometimes people praise them and worhsip them like UBER Gods, and then, stuff got really messed, nothing new can be good if they arent like the old days. Give them a break, they cannot make mistakes forever.

Nothing EA is better than Westwood :laugh:

(Not even the installers )

**I am very anti EA ~IIRC they assimilated Bullfrog and put them to work on a Harry Potter game. :banghead:

Is your opinion and I respect that, but I dont agree

That's Fair.

(Have you seen some of their installers? Like the one for Nox, or Lands of Lore 1, 2, or even 3?)

Yes, why?

Westwood made even the installers interesting, but i have to agree with Mako. EA era C&C were better with the exceptions of Red Alert with it's expansions and Tiberian Twilight.

I still have nightmares about Tesla Coils :shocking:

I like the EA C&C games, and they have access to far more resources these days, but for me its a case of... an artist with a ballpoint pen vs somebody who just has access to photoshop. :shrug:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/Gizmojunk/grocery-list.jpg

(In this respect, I have a sliding scale, and its why I can consider a work done for a lesser platform, to sometimes be of greater merit.)

**There is an interesting Quote by John Carmac that somewhat applies to this in a way...