This is a decent point, but then how would you decide which and to what magnitude skills would fade? Should they fade over time or with disuse. But if they fade with disuse then realistically how can someone who hasn't fought in years still fight when they need to like in real life? Or maybe we should be able to manually un-assign them. After all no-one can be good at everything, but how does reasigning points accomplish that... I don't know how you could implement this, but I wouldn't be totally against it.
As an alternative I could, however, see them bringing back the major minor and misc skill system, because it was hard as all heck to raise misc skills in Morrowind. But even then misc skills could, and I'm sure were, maxed out... Perhaps the skill cap should be 200 instead of 100 to create a larger gap between what you excell at and what you are just okay at in addition to having Major, Minor, and Misc skills?
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Then we'll have to agree to disagree here. We aren't talking about the same thing. I never pretended that multiclass types didn't exist in Arena. I said the game is heavily class based and not skill based and that the class choice you made at start would force you down that path through the whole game. No such possibilities to take a Mage and decide you'll now dedicate yourself to the fighter way because the game would plain prevent you from equipping swords and any armors. Same for Fighters who had no Magika at all in the first place so no way to cast spells without using an enchanted item.

so you can be a Navy Seal , a Nobel prize Physician winner and a Very skilled Acrobat at the same time ? This is just ridiculous....

Can you do that in Arena?

What? How is that rediculous in the slightest? I'm sorry but what? Your damn right you can be all three.

It presumes a lot of training , hard study and physical preparation you cannot devote enough life time to be all of that at the same time ....

Only ridiculous when you develop examples that are purely out of context, but if you want to play that game I just finished interviewing a guy for a job who's got a PhD in Physics, a black belt in Six-Sigma, and also wins triathalons as a hobby.

Yeah, the specifics would be hard to decide, and I don't claim to have a solution for that.

But I actually like your suggestion to bring back the major/minor/misc system and increase the gap between "grandmaster" and "novice" skills. That would absolutely do it for me. You could still achieve everything, but it would take a lot more work than in Oblivion.

Of course you can. Some of the best marksmen in history were farmers or bloody school teachers I would love to fill ten pages with examples, but I highly doubt you would be any more convinced. We have different opinions lol, VERY different.

Just bring back guild skill requirements. That way you would have to have to know magic really well to be archmage.

Largely class-free playing is a hallmark of the Elder Scrolls, and it would be terrible to lose it. If you want classes, play Dragon Age.

Wrong (regarding morrowind anyway). "Standard" spellcasting was virtually useless. But Enchant/alchemy based builds were easily the strongest and most powerful in the game. At top enchant skill casting a spell from an item uses very few charges (letting you cast something way more than you ever could naturally). To make it even better there was no casting animation so you could fire off massive blasts of absorb life machinegun style. Alchemy was broken too, with the ability to create potions that added ridiculous numbers to your attributes and skills turning you into an indestructible god.

Thank you and I apologize for my terrible wording in that post.

I don't consider someone using the broken enchant system playing a "mage" I really wouldn't shed a single tear when it was removed in Oblivion if it wasn't for the fact the replacement system wasn't that good either but at least it wasn't absurdly broken.

And if i want to be a stealth assassin mage?
or a warrior mage?
or a pirate?

I love tes because there aren't predefinite classes, you can be a mix of everything in every proportion.

let tes remain tes

Actually Tes does have tons of classes , and a lot of mixed classes that's what I liked , tough they failed to give the feel of actually beeing in that class couse in the end it restricts all to mage warrior and thieves attitude , but with oblivion this got blobbed into one single all out class wich is warriormagethief character class

Befoure it was not like that So I say let Tes be what was Tes .... not Tes be what is now Tes....

Please enlioghten me of a NAvy Seal Officer that is also an acrobat and a famouse Nobel prize winner in Physics , becouse that is what we are talking about not of a school teacher that plays football by Sunday and goes to dance courses in the weekend ....

I don't know what you base "its just oblivion that is like that" on. I've got a Morrowind character who's the head of a Great House, the Thieves' Guild, the Mages' Guild, and the Fighters' Guild- and has met all the needed skill requirements. No mods, no console cheats.



And this is just beyond absurd. Or maybe I just feel that way since I was well past "teen player" when Arena came out.

Already told you: I just finished interviewing a dude for a position at my company. PhD in physics, black belt in 6-Sigma quality control, and an accomplished triathlon runner. Top of the game athlete and top of the game academic. You don't find that kind of person every day, but it DOES happen. Its called "being extraordinary" and if I were to guess, he busted his ass for as many years as I've been alive in order to have all those accomplishments.

I agree that it was silly that Bethesda allowed us to be the leader of the fighter/mage/dark brotherhood/thieves all at the same time. In terms of class, I don't really expect Bethesda to limit what a player can do. I personally thought it was silly to allow a player to more or less do everything. But it also gives people the ability to make whatever type of character they'd like. I will more than likely be a Knight as I always am, and probably never really tamper in much magic as usual. No fun in one hit killing your opponents with overpowered spells in my opinion.

Why is that silly?

You could do this in Morrowind, it just took longer, and required more work, which I think is a good thing. In Oblivion it was ridiculously easy for a warrior to become Archmage of the Mages Guild with little or no magical training, which is just absurd. I think a warrior-type character should have a harder time learning magic than a mage-type character. In Morrowind, you had to have reached certain levels in the appropriate skills before you could advance in a guild, which I think should return.

It should definitely be possible to do everything with a single character, but the choices you make about your character need to have a little more weight than they had in Oblivion, in my opinion.

The thing about the TES series is that you have choices

If I wanted to be an orc mage that swung around a enchanted rusty dagger I could

You could make a class, make rules for that class, and stick to that class and the rules you made for that class.

There was nothing forcing you to use magic if you didn't want to use magic and there was nothing forcing you to be a warrior. I want choices and if I want to make a moronic silly class that doesn't make any sense I want that choice.

Maybe because a level 1 is basically a wet-behind-the-ears-wannabe who is good at pest control but has to really fight with everything else?

WellI am an Engeneer , artist and Also Martial artist , but I did not won nobel prize , I am not spuerexpert as a Navy seal and I can't walk on ropes ......

This is just a mixed type of character with is perfeclty fine with my vision , call it warrior mage or whatever other type of class lol .... but in no way you can be Einstain , Napoleon and Houdini at the same time ....

What does the Nobel Prize have to do with anything?


What do Einstein, Napoleon, and Houdini have to do with anything?