Implied.

However, the passing of the powers of Sheogorath has happened times beyond counting, and each Sheo gains all the knowledge of all the past ones. So it could be a NEW Sheo who just so happens to have the CoC's memories due to mantling.

"I can't believe people trust you enough not to attack me"

I imagine a future where GNR has a radio show "The Adventures of the Lone Wanderer" with his faithful companion Fawkes the friendly super-mutant.

That's effectively vanished into the sunset.

I mean, no, not really. The character in Oblivion has become the new Mad-God. He hasn't just walked off into the blue-sky after completing his adventures and is never heard from again.

Maybe, but it seems to me the references were intentionally supposed to give that impression. That the individual you were talking to was indeed the Champion. Not that it was a totally different Sheo with the same memories.

Regardless, I highly doubt the LW will make an appearance in F4, but I also don't think its impossible either.

Well, their original plan was a failure, so we move on from that and realize that there is more to the story.

The rest depends on what is going to be canon and how important it becomes to the story in the long run. For people who actually knew the LW, for them to not know say, the gender of the LW is bordering on utter stupidity, seeing how all would thus have to speak of them in some unisix fashion....which is ridiculous. Next, what does the LW do after all this? The LW doesn't seem the sort to just vanish into the sunset, like the VD did. VD had a reason, was exiled by his overseer. The LW is more of a go getter, and basically finds an adoptive family in the BoS, and seeing how canon will no doubt be the LW helping the BoS, seems odd to just do all this stuff only to take off. Anything is possible I guess, just seems off.

All in all, deciding on canon events is useful for long term story events. It links long term cause and effect, which you can see from FO 1 - FO 2 - FO NV. Things the VD did laid the groundwork for what eventually happened in FO NV, same with what the CO did. The same could also happen as a result of what the LW did in the CW, effecting events we end up seeing in FO 4 and beyond. The heroes shouldn't all be mystery men or women imo, and there are some things that can be skipped over, so it isn't like every single detail needs to be canonized.

Regardless what BoS in FO 4, I think we will hear about the LW, I guess it could be possible to meet him/her, although I kind of doubt it.

Has the idea of the BoS being a combination of Lyons/MW?

Yeah I speculated if there are two BoS factions in FO 4. They could be combined or at odds.

I speculated both the MW and CW BoS have just as much to fear from rampant artificial intelligences, with the MWBoS having nearly stopped continental, perhaps world extinction of mankind (if the Calculator had gained a ton of land and manufacturing resources, I doubt any faction or combination of factions could have stopped it's army).

Relatively, the CWBoS stopped a somewhat good-minded-but-bad-action'd ZAX AI.

While liking Lyon's BoS, I really hope it is a more... grey chapter present in Boston.

If it is Lyon's BOS. I want to learn if any contact with the west has been made. Also what has become of the Outcast.

Im not up to date with this whole convo, this may already be known, but I just saw that Maxson is in the game, and the player asked about his age. I didnt see Maxson or hear the reply tho.

Well, for anyone REALLY wanting to know the deal behind the BoS in Fallout 4

Interesting information Possum. Thanks for reporting. Wish I was awake to watch these damn things.

Just before the assault on the Purifier, he/she was made and HONORARY member of Lyons Pride. At the beginning of the Broken Steel DLC, the Lone Wanderer is recruited as a KNIGHT into the Brotherhood of Steel. At no point was he/she promoted to Paladin and there was no hint of the honorary membership in the Pride being made official. At the end of Fallout 3, the Lone Wanderer was basically on detached service (similar to Star Paladin Cross). The Lone Wanderers position in the Brotherhood is pretty much SpecOps with a specialty in Accidental Survival. You don't make leaders of people like this, you just unleash them. After 10 years the LW is probably at least a Paladin but will still be operating solo.

The CWBoS may want to send the LW to Boston (assuming that is the Brotherhood chapter in Boston) but AwesomePossum is correct, BGS will most likely not want the LW anywhere near Boston.

^^^ This, sorta kinda.

We players do NOT establish canon, the developers do.

Consider: One of the possible endings of the original Fallout is the Vault Dweller deciding to join the Unity. This results in the Vault Dweller getting dipped. Leading an assault on Vault 13 and the survivors will also get dipped. Let us assume for the moment that this is "my canon" play through of Fallout.

With this ending, the Shady Sands would eventually fall to the Unity and the NCR will never come into existance. Arroyo will never be established and there will be no Chosen One.

Without a Chosen One, the Poseidon Oil Rig would not be destroyed and the Enclave would be a major player on the West Coast along with the Unity. The Brotherhood of Steel would most like be stomped to jelly between the two. There would be no expeditions to the East.

Without a Brotherhood presence in Chicago, the Calculator's robot army would run amok. Edward Sallow (a citizen of the NCR which doesn't exist) would never have the chance to unite the various tribes and become Caesar, since by the time of his birth the Calculator would have "pacified" most of what would have been Legion territory. The battle at Hoover Dam would either have the Enclave or the Unity on one side (depending who wins on the West Coast) and the Calculator on the other. The Courier (if alive) would either be a scout for the Enclave or a Gen2 supermutant in the Master's Army.

Without a Brotherhood presence in the Capitol Wasteland, the Vault 87 supermutants would run amok. Project Purity would quickly be overrun. James and Catherine would have either been killed or been turned into supermutants before they ever had a chance to produce a child. In other words, the Lone Wanderer would never be born. (Not that it would matter, as there would be no Dad to find, no Project Purity to turn on and no Brotherhood to assist against the Enclave which would not be on the East Coast anyway).

And we would not be talking about where those Brotherhood airships came from in Boston because there is no Brotherhood of Steel.

People have just got to get over "my canon" as there is no such thing. There is only canon and we players do not determine what that is, the developers do.

Without the Chosen One the series would end, because the Enclave were going to kill everyone with a virus remember?

We don't know that for sure. The supermutants might have overrun the Enclave and dipped all the survivors before they completed their research. In Fallout 2, they were using the Vault 13 residents in their tests, which they could not have done because of "my canon" ending to Fallout. Even if they were able to complete their project, the FEV would not have any kind of effect on the Calculator's army, and just made its job easier. Either way, the series would most certainly end since there would be no reason to continue,

Well, actually, based on his story, of the VD getting dipped, the military base is never destroyed, Super Mutants never driven off, Master still alive. The Enclave wouldn't be finding and excavating a blown up military base to get the FEV needed to create their modified FEV that would in turn kill everyone. In order to get it, they would have to fight through an army of Super Mutants. Who knows, in what if scenarios like this, maybe the Enclave and BoS became allies to fight the Super Mutants. You would love that one.

Ah yeah that's a good point, they wouldn't be able to get the FEV for the Project.

Well yeah who knows what would have happened then. But the Brotherhood of Steel are killed by the Master if he isn't defeated so that scenario wouldn't happen.

I don't know if the dipped ending mentions other factions, just has the cut scene with the Super Mutants attacking V13. Could be wrong tho, as I've never been dipped, killing LT is one of the best moments of FO 1, hell, of the entire FO Series it ranks right up there in the top 5 for sure.

It has been almost five years since I have done a dipped ending, but if you just go off exploring and bag the quest to destroy the supermutant menace, the supermutant just go nuts in the wasteland.

The Followers will be destroyed by the supermutants, Necropolis will be overrun, Shady Sands will be overrun, Junktown will be overrun, eventually Vault 13 will be overrun (even without your help) and the Hub will be abandoned. All of the endings have kind of blurred together so I am not sure what is mentioned in the dipped ending, but all of the above would follow anyways.

Basically, all the other Fallout games could not take place with "my canon" ending. And I am not the type of individual to deny myself the pleasure of enjoying subsequent Fallout games just to preserve "my canon" ending to Fallout.

I would disagree its a copout.

Its made very clear in Fallout 3 that Lyons is really the only guy in the BoS that thinks the way he does, even his best friend, and his daughter, express dissenting opinions. The followed him because they respected him, but it makes sense that after he was gone, they would shift back to what they actually believed in.

Lyons even notes in his terminal that Arthur is being raised like he was, and that its scares him a bit.

What? It is not made very clear that Lyons is the only guy that thinks that way. Everyone who followed him believed in what Lyons believed in. They didn't follow him just because they "Respected" him. Those that were against what he believed in, joined the outcasts, those that weren't against it, stayed with him. I thought this was made abundantly clear.