The Calculator was a computer but with human brains connected to it. It was reactivated by Super Mutants. The people in Vault Zero were killed or in no way able to do anything when it was reactivated. They were in cryogenic sleep (like our character in Fallout 4). Once activated it started to go through with it's pacification protocols. So it was programmed to kill all mutations and or threats like enemy soldiers.

So was it evil? No I wouldn't say that. It was just following it's program. But depending on the ending it can become "evil" depending on how you see things. One ending, I like the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwvnREVigyo

To those saying he looks too old.. I'd have to disagree, his voice doesn't seem that old and he doesn't look anything more than battle hardened.

But do Lyon's people fight military campaigns? They fought against Super Mutants and against the Enclave but they weren't really military campaigns. The fight against the Super Mutants was more like self defense fighting and the Enclave fight was more like "oh crap it's the Enclave!" It could well be them. But the use of the term campaign makes me think he's from a group that is actively fighting military campaigns.

The Midwestern Brotherhood have a saying "There is always another enemy." They were (possibly still are) a military styled organization that was fighting everyone.

They only fought raiders, beastlords, super mutants, and the Calculator robots, they got along with everyone who wasn't a dike.

Well define getting along. They came in took the best and brightest away to be brotherhood, and protected their villages with a steel fist.

They got along with the none "dikes" because they took control of them.

Yeah, as I dive into MWBoS lore, this:


...looks to be a very true statement. I suppose the aggressiveness of the MWBoS is a little over-exaggerated. Their entire missions was to make a new home and find Vault 0. People just keep trying to kill them and they were forced to make some pretty hard choices.

You think he looks 20 years old?

This could very well be nothing but the Midwestern Brotherhood did come across a mechanical arm and had this to say about it: "The mechanical device you retrieved is a curious one. Our scribes believe it to be a replacement for a human who as lost his natural arm. What stands out the most is that it seems to be recently manufactured and not even the Brotherhood can craft technology in that advanced fashion." At the time this was foreshadowing the Calculator.... But it could now be seen as the Institute. Later on in the game it is stated that slavers have vast trading networks. So maybe the arm came from the Commonwealth.

Just because you didn't look that old at twenty doesn't mean others didn't.

Hell, a buddy of mine in high school who at the age of 16 could pass for a 22 year old due to how old he looked. So I wouldn't be surprised.

I would call the Enclave fight as much of a Military campaign as the calculator in Tactics. Also, while the super mutants weren't so much as a military campaign in fallout 3, there was 10 years between fallout 3 and 4 which could have easily amounted to it being called a military campaign such as attacking the source of the mutants and doing a mass extermination of Mutants in DC. Not to mention Lyons BoS most likely became far more organized over those years

Just because he used the term Campaign does not lead to it being MWBoS. Though I wouldn't be upset if it turned out to be them.

You need to play the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4acAV46vvQ

Not really, in fact, if you failed the optional objectives, they took no one.

They didn't really take anything, they defended tribes in return for them sending the people they had.

I believe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5kv-zWRstk It isn't just him. Guldo Sciavo "You Brotherhood guys get everything handed to you on a silver platter! You just march around and take hard working people's [censored]."

IS THAT WILL FRIEDLE?!

There are always dissenters.

The MWBoS willingly let in the deathclaws, even though they hadn't conquered them, and could have easily refused them.

The MWBoS could have easily just taken the nuke from the ghouls of Kansas City, but instead helped them fight off the super mutants in exchange for the nuke.

I need to point out that Mike looks like a forty year old homeless man and sounds like an eighteen year old. /boom! #threadwin

I am not sure. Sadly the names of most of the voice actors in Tactics was never listed. Not even in the credits of the game. I tried to track them down by asking people who worked on it. But the list is lost.

But the Midwestern Brotherhood didn't just live and let live. They forced people to join them. They had work camps, used crucifixion, worked POWS to death, arrested people for simply being associated with criminals, and even had Inquisitors.

If you kill the Deathclaws that doesn't happen. At least my memory is fuzzy on that.

They needed the Nuke. You don't just let that go to waste. Sure they could have just gone in and killed the ghouls. But try shooting that nuke and see what happens

It is better to get it diplomatically than it is to risk shooting it. If you kill super mutants and get a nuke it is a win win.

We also have to remember that the Midwestern Brotherhood didn't see ghouls as equals that is made clear in the game. They were mainly just useful. They could use them and they had a greater threat at the time. Same would go for super mutants and deathclaws.

I mean, yes, they do. They waged a military campaign against both the super-mutants and the Enclave. By any definition those were sustained military campaigns.

The trailer only affirmed my belief that its Lyons IMO. But we'll see.

Yeah, but that was during the game, in the good karma and destroy the calculator endings, everything is implied to be super peaceful harmony between everyone.

The fight against the Enclave. Was it really a planned out organized fight or was it more of a "Lets rush them now that we have Prime conveniently up and running!

The Super Mutant thing... I saw no offensive fighting. I see it more of reacting to their attacks more than a clear plan to deal with them.

But I guess we can go on and on about that. So yeah I guess they were campaigns. At least after Fallout 3 they would have to deal with them for an on going time.

In the neutral ending we see no mutants in the Brotherhood. And the Barnaky Ending, is just awsome

The most likely endings if I remember you think would happen are the neutral and good endings. So a 50/50 chance of no mutants in the MWBoS.

Did you forget the part where they spent two weeks assaulting various Enclave positions, including destroying Raven Rock if you didn't get Eden to do it, eventually attacking The Enclave transmission relay station, losing Prime in the process, then the staging an assault on Adams?

They waged war with the Enclave across the Capital Wasteland in Broken Steel and in the time after the Fallout 3 main game ends. The initial attack by Prime was only the start.

A defensive military campaign is still a campaign.

Regardless though, its (date spoiler)

I guess I did. But Prime was doing 90% so it would be easy to fight when you have him on your side.

In the end I know know there is very little chance it will be the Midwestern Brotherhood but I can dream right? We will know soon enough.

Doesn't really matter if Prime made it easy, it was part of a coordinated military campaign.