So from the novel we know Vvardenfell and Morrowind are pretty much obliterated by the Red Mountain. Then later on Argonians, seeing a chance for a revenge, invade morrowind and take over. Even though Morrowind is a complete molten lava fiesta at that moment. With all that land (If the Argonians choose to colonize it and plant hist trees to spread the swamps) could the Kingdom of Argonia become a big contending faction in Tamriel?

Since the Empire is pretty much now only Cyrodiil, Skyrim, Hammerfell and High Rock(Still alot of territory but weakened none the less) and the Aldmeri Dominion has united (who knows if they'll invade the newly independent Elsweyr(probably won't). We can see some pretty big factions forming. Another question- Depending when and where TESV takes place (already knowing the new factions) are the chances high the new main character will face these new factions in quests for either faction (the one you choose to help?) ?

If im reading right what your saying, you mean that there would be a lot of race factions (for example : The Argonian Club, the Orc Group, just to make it simple) and you could help one or another faction during the game? It is a possibility, although I think we may get a clearer show on how exactly the game is going to look later on. Since the "series" is supposed to be 2 books, and the other book isn't even out yet, I believe that by the end, it will tell us most of the information we want to know (like how the empire is still alive, if there are any opposing armies / factions in the area, if they are friendly or not, Blade resistance group? ( < Very likely, only because I believe that they have a Septim from somewhere, and they need to get the false king (is he a false king?) out of the throne.) But as it stands right now, sure everythings in chaos, and I bet there is probably going to be some sort of right-wing Argonian warmongers coming from the east, and maybe a city with dark elf refugee's from the soulstheim (or however you say it, I don't care).

Probably. Morrowind and Black Marsh combined would make a pretty big province. Remember though, northern Morrowind was destroyed, while southern Morrowind was just fine... until the Argonians came and slaughtered the rest of the Dunmer there. So it's pretty much all under their control, I can't see a reason why they wouldn't become one big province. As for becoming a dangerous faction, I don't think the Argonians will do any more invading unless the Hist feel like it. They only reason they invaded Morrowind is because the Dunmer enslaved them for so long. They don't have any reason to invade Elsweyr, for example.

Personally I hope the Nerevarine comes back from Akavir and gives every Argonian a damn good spearing.

A swamp and an ash-washed post-eruption wasteland. Sure it makes a large province, but it hardely has the making of a powerful one... Though I'm probably exagerating the conditions of Morrowind's southern part.

But if you look at the Red Mountain's locations, on can supose that barely one third of the province remains usable. Which wouldn't make that much of an addition to the Black Marsh province.

the argonians dont really have any desire to conquer or colonize. They took advantage of the eruption to take revenge on the dunmer who enslaved them, but they did not form new cities or truly expand their territory.

Furthermore, the argonians are not united enough to form a "faction." we have the An-Xileel in Lilmoth, but we know that the other Hist do not support them, and may likely choose to kill off the tree (again). The other races are not united either - the Redguards have always split along political lines, High Rock is a confederacy of city states, etc. Simplifying it along racial lines ignores many chances for political intrigue and interesting gameplay.

These must be the new line of "Dwemer" threads, as theres like umpteen of the same vein of topics and this is one that could be lumped into anyone of them...I miss the old days where mods added things together, deleted flamey posts and gave the appropriate level of warning to the offenders...

This whole "Landfall" thing is screaming for a WWPD: Redux thread, if we're going to keep going over the same things endlessly it should at least be amusing...

Topicwise, nothing is even mentioned of High Rock or Hammerfell in the novel, leaving a big fat question mark as to what there current standing is, political or otherwise...

Until you brought it up, nobody was talking about the Landfall. We're talking about the Argonian's invasion of Morrowind. And what else do you want us to talk about, exactly? What's going on in the world of The Elder Scrolls? The Landfall supposedly happened. What is there to talk about then? The Landfall. Unless you'd rather us talk about Mudcrabs...

Amen! Skin the whole lot of them.

Can't really say the nerevarine could do that, for all you know some people's nerevarine could be an argonian. And seeing as the full argonian military invaded, its not like the nerevarine could be the incredible hulk and plow through all of them.

I nice try at an end around but you cannot have any kind of discussion about the current state of Argonia or Morrowind without reffering to the Landfall...it is what is homeslice...

Why? because without it there is no state of Argonia to discuss and therefore no Elder Scrolls world events to talk about , and I would welcome a mudcrab talk anyways, cause mudcrabs are always interesting...

Welcome to the new era of Lore sunshine.

Wait, now you're lecturing me about how this is all there is to talk about? Last post you were complaining about how that's all we're talking about, and now you suddenly accept it? Nice attempt at trying to turn it around.

Uh...what? You have to accept it, it happened, the end...theres no waffling on that...

I'm no schoolmarm, theres nothing to lecture about, I simply stated that instead of making the poor ESF hamsters work harder to keep up the bandwidth this discussion could have been brought up in any of the other same type of topics that are on the very first page of this particular part of the boards...nobody tried to turn anything around, now lets stop all this fussing and feuding...piece of cake? :cake:

I don't think so. I think Umbriel has done a lot of damage to their land. Whatever advantage they had its lost. I think they're going to spend the next few years rebuilding and getting rid of all those undead.

Also I have to say I'm liking the new political landscape, and I have a feeling the Dunmer will side with the new Aldmeri Dominion.

The dunmer are way to proud to bow down to altmerish thought. Plus, the Aldmeri Dominion are opposite of where they are.

Funny, we get a lot of new lore, only for more questions to be brought up.

that or make peace with the nords, though it would be interesting to see the dunmer and dominion form an alliance that encompassed all elves

LOL thats how TES works.


That was my thinking. The Dunmer think themselves so high and mighty they would fit right in with the Altmer. But really I would like to see all the elves united under one banner. It would make for some very interesting gameplay. Empire on one side. The elven kingdom on the other.

The Dunmer are proud yes, but at the same time their backs are against the walls. They need allies. In my mind I can only see one people they would ally themselves with is other elves.
And yes the Dominion is on the other side of the continent but I don't see that as a problem for a race blessed in the arcane arts. The first thing that comes to mind is teleportation spells. That makes the distance moot. If the Altmer wanted to get to Morrowind they could do it. And I don't mean to take away anything from the Dunmer they have some pretty powerful sorcerers themselves.

I wonder if the Nords will make any attempts to retake Morrowind now. I guess we'll have to wait to find out.

Do you even know why they left Summerset in the first place? Read up on your history a bit; the dunmer are far more likely to join up with men than the altmer. In fact, read up on the whole history and culture of every race at http://www.imperial-library.info/ Just because they're elves, doesn't mean they're going to like each other.


Well, MK gave a little snippet of what's to come, and that is the nords are actually going to be very helpful to the dunmer people on Solsthiem.

Well, the Nords have always coveted Morrowind too, and if the Chimer and Dwemer learned to coexist, despite their noticeable dislike of each other's beliefs, I think it would be possible for the Nords and the Dunmer to learn to work together.

true.

They've coveted Morrowind, yes, and waged war on the Dunmer...but I feel their essential humanity and pity on their beaten foes will outweigh the bad blood. Morrowind will be uninhabitable for the foreseeable future anyway.

The Dunmer are now a Pariah folk as the Orcs once were.

Where did he say that?