I was watching videos about the game, and I'm starting to get worried that Spy checking WILL be in the game in some form. Here's what I've come up with in terms of things that "could happen", hoping that this gets to the guys makin' it happen so we don't see any of them happening, lol.

1) The usual "friendly fire" doesn't give you an XP penalty heads-up in the game.
- When you shoot a friendly, I noticed you immediately get a negative XP notification in red. Will this notification be green if the player shoots an operative? Or no notification at all if they shoot an operative? This may lead to the operative being "spy checked", especially by medics who can just heal their teammates for the "mistake".

2) "Healing" won't work on enemy players.
- This could be a major no-hassle way to find out if someone's a disguised Operative. If healing doesn't work on enemy players, then all a Medic would have to do is try to heal'em. If it works, they're friendly. If it doesn't, they're an enemy.

3) Disguise "deactivating" due to damage, healing, firing a weapon, etc.
- In Kane & Lynch 2 (granted, a terrible game) they had a game mode where you were an Undercover Cop and if you hurt a civilian / NPC police officer OR a Criminal before the crime was discovered, you'd be found out. I was wondering if this game was going to or could employ a similar system where a Disguise remains in effect even if you're damaged, healed, or shot your weapon, but would deactivate if you hit an enemy player. (IE: You shot and hit one of your own teammates, the disguise wouldn't deactivate, but if you shot and hit an enemy player, it'd deactivate immediately.) This could help Disguised players "keep up an act" to get where they need to go wearing the disguise.

I was watching videos about the game, and I'm starting to get worried that Spy checking WILL be in the game in some form. Here's what I've come up with in terms of things that "could happen", hoping that this gets to the guys makin' it happen so we don't see any of them happening, lol.

1) The usual "friendly fire" doesn't give you an XP penalty heads-up in the game.
- When you shoot a friendly, I noticed you immediately get a negative XP notification in red. Will this notification be green if the player shoots an operative? Or no notification at all if they shoot an operative? This may lead to the operative being "spy checked", especially by medics who can just heal their teammates for the "mistake".

2) "Healing" won't work on enemy players.
- This could be a major no-hassle way to find out if someone's a disguised Operative. If healing doesn't work on enemy players, then all a Medic would have to do is try to heal'em. If it works, they're friendly. If it doesn't, they're an enemy.

3) Disguise "deactivating" due to damage, healing, firing a weapon, etc.
- In Kane & Lynch 2 (granted, a terrible game) they had a game mode where you were an Undercover Cop and if you hurt a civilian / NPC police officer OR a Criminal before the crime was discovered, you'd be found out. I was wondering if this game was going to or could employ a similar system where a Disguise remains in effect even if you're damaged, healed, or shot your weapon, but would deactivate if you hit an enemy player. (IE: You shot and hit one of your own teammates, the disguise wouldn't deactivate, but if you shot and hit an enemy player, it'd deactivate immediately.) This could help Disguised players "keep up an act" to get where they need to go wearing the disguise.

Just some thoughts I had that I thought I'd share. 1 and 2 are genuine concerns of course whereas 3 is a mechanics question, so yeah. If anybody knows how things are looking for this particular section of the game, I'd definitely appreciate a heads-up since Operative was the class I was looking forward to the most.

Spy checking shouldn't really be a problem, since Operatives can spot other disguised Operatives. Also, all the triggers that go into losing a disguise (can't fire gun, can't disguise in enemies line of sight, etc. )

We are going to have our work cut out for us.

That's why I will be playing Heavy Operative - No use for disguise, frees up an ability slot for me.

Play dead then mow down with minigun? Guarding your team against enemy operatives?

I'll have to wait till release to know for sure, but I was thinking about specializing in those "death dealing abilities" that Operatives will get. Building a Heavy Operative that actually utilizes the classes skills, should be fun and perhaps challenging.

What do you mean actually utilizes the classes skills. What are the rest of the operatives doing?

What do you mean actually utilizes the classes skills. What are the rest of the operatives doing?

What do you mean actually utilizes the classes skills. What are the rest of the operatives doing?

I guess I'm just not clear on something here... is there not going to be teamspeak or any kind of vocal support? I was assuming there would be, but maybe it won't be hard to organize with the bot-given commands and objectives...anyway, if there is, obviously it wold be pretty easy for you to tell your teammates that you were just jacked by a spy and your identity was stolen.

"First of all, a little more about the 'default' voip setting. This is effectively a server setting in our 'standard' match, which is what the game puts you in if you simply say "i'd like to play the next mission in my storyline online, please". same as no FF. so players who just want to jump in and play online with no hassles, they choise the "next mission" option, and boom, they don't hear anyone calling them f******, they don't have [censored]s shooting them in the back, and they have a good time. are they missing some of what makes multiplayer great? yes. but they're having a good time.

for pretty much every single one of you guys on this board, i suspect that simple "take me to the next mission" option will not be good enough, and you'll all instead opt for the "take me to a server browser" choice. once there, you can find missions where voip is on by default (for everyone), FF is on, player ranks are restricted or open, high level abilities are allowed or disallowed, etc.

i expect the majority of console players will opt for the former (the standard 'friendly' matches), and the majority of PC players will opt for the later (the let me play the game without restrictions, i'm a big boy, i can handle it matches). so hopefully everyone will be satisfied...

Regarding voip, i feel this is a better way to go, because doing the other thing (allowing individuals to selectively turn voip on or off) works at a disadvantage to everyone, including the players who want to speak. what good does it do you to talk into your mike and give strategy/tips, if, for all you know, half your team has manually decided to turn voip off. you might think a player is a complete asshat by ignoring your repeated requests for ammo, but in fact, it's just that they've turned voip off because someone called them a n***** in the past, so they don't take chances anymore. and they have no idea you're asking for ammo.

a weird system where "maybe" sometimes people talk, and "maybe" sometimes other people can hear them, but no one is every sure about either, doesn't help anyone. a more strict system where everyone knows that either a) no one is talking or hearing, or B) everyone can talk and everyone can hear, and letting players gravitate to the choice they prefer, strikes me as a bit clearer all around.

and if you opt for the "i'd prefer not to be called a m*********** again, thanks" server option, you can still team play because our auto-pvssyr system automatically says 90% of the common stuff players say to each other anyway. and for the 10% that it can't cover, you can either a) step up to the 'non-standard' servers, or B) open up local voice channels with just the people you want to talk to. "

I mean I want to build a Heavy Operative that is actually good at "operative things," like interrogate enemies, hack turrets, firewall CPs, etc. not just use certain skills in the class to make me a better at getting kills or something like that.

Ok. Let's do Rolecall then. I'm here!

Ok, so servers that have voip enabled by default will make it pretty easy to spycheck, if I'm understanding this correctly. In some ways it will effectively void the "mole" aspect of operative class altogether.

Just looking for some affirmation on this, or if I'm still just not understanding something.