There are many people who would say that Skyrim should be free, and there are also others who disagree, and believe that Skyrim should remain with the Empire. I firmly believe that the Empire is the better of the two, however, a few leadership changes may have to be made. Titus Mede II may be a good man, but he is a terrible decision-maker. Accepting the terms of the White Gold Concordat? Stopping the fighting after the Battle of The Red Ring? Allowing Hammerfell to secede? If Mede had continued fighting after Red Ring, he could have been able to beat back the Thalmor once and for all! After all, after the battle, they were just as weak as the Empire, if not weaker. But no, good ol' Mede accepted the WGC, and allowed Hammerfell out of the Empire. If say, a Septim Emperor were still alive, or even if the Head of The Elder Council were in charge (He and Mede's generals even advised him to take the fight to the Thalmor, but he didn't listen.) Things after the Great War would have turned out differently. The Stormcloaks claim that the entire Empire is to blame for the troubles, when in reality, it is one man; Titus Mede II. Other than this, I firmly believe in what the Empire stands for.

Oh Talos...

The Empire could do with some leadership changes (one already happened). Whether for good or worse, it's uncertain. While some leadership changes should occur, the problem also lies among the Elder Council. Something I dislike about my side.

I'm going to sleep. I look forward to reading page 8.

Believe it or not, I actually strongly disagree with this. He couldn't have kept on fighting, but that doesn't mean he had to accept the WGC. What he should have done was simply say no to the WGC and leave it at that. If the Thalmor were as bad off as the Empire was, then they'd be forced to go home, and the war would be over. They'd technically still be at war, but they wouldn't be fighting, like North and South Korea, who are still technically at war. They only kept fighting Hammerfell, because it was just Hammerfell, not Hammerfell and the Empire.

It's a shame it wasn't written that way. I think these CW threads would have been much more interesting.

I don't think there'd be a civil war if that happened. No wgc, no civil war. Unless of course, Ulfric was just a power hungry [censored] like the imperial supporters claim. Wouldn't be a cause then though.

The only thing that could salvage the Empire is the one thing that made it work in the first place...that being an emperor with an amulet that was the only thing keeping the daedra at bay. Once the Oblivion crisis ended with Oblivion permanently blocked off the end was inevitable. However, all the humans need to stick together or they're elf fodder.

Wasn't the Empire essentially made of men up until the war? Cyrodill, Skyrim, Hammerfell, and High Rock. Of course, the Thalmor are doing a good job at driving them apart (the Empire is also to blame here).
True.

Ulfric Stormcloak is true true High King.

No... You fool, what have you done!?

Pretty much, but the 'let's go sack the Imperial City' crowd was kept in check by the whole Dragonfires business. Old Emperor Picard needed to say 'lock shut the jaws of Oblivion, but hang onto the key because it keeps you on the throne'.

I chose the Empire over the Stormcloaks, Though I believe new leadership is needed (Especially since I killed the Emperor). The empire for example is more open to the presence of Argonian and other races as are their supporters, Ulfric's "Skyrim is for the Nords" is absurd. Should Skyrim be free? Perhaps, But Ulfric is hardly a suitable choice.. Regicide is not the proper way to show you were the better choice.

As an Argonian, I support the Empire, I however believe the White Gold Concordat was a mistake. The Altmeri Dominion are hardly better than Ulfric and his misguided views. Though at this time I would neither support a war against them due to the loss of the Shadowscales. Perhaps under my leadership as Listener and Leader of the Dark Brotherhood an overthrow of the Altmeri may become possible, but at this time the Empire is at least a stable government. I will continue to operate from the shadows until a worthy leader rises to lead us all.

I still don't understand one thing.

WHY did the emperor agree to the WGC? Like Bear of a man said, he should have said No **** you thalmor see ya later.

Why did he agree? is it because he's a milk drinker?

No.. When I ate the Emperor I tasted nothing of milk.. He did appear to have been drinking wine.. I was a little tipsy on my swim back to land afterwards... Unless you speak of his predecessor.

Council could have pressured him into it, maybe they didn't trust their intel. This blog from tumblr suggests they knew. Got this from Celan in another Civil War thread:

http://colonelkillabee.tumblr.com/post/69003076647/stormcloak-bible-part-2-the-moral-and-governing

If this is true, then it must have just been fear from the council, or something. Maybe Mede didn't have a choice because of them.

Wow...Small theory.

Just a theory.

Maybe.

All Hail King Ulfric, Cyrod puppets go home, Axe a Thalmor for your mother, et cetera, et cetera

And lol at people believe that the Empire stands for something.

EDIT: Actually, the Empire is the symbol of Tiber Septim's massive ego.

Exactly. Divide and Conquer. Here in a nutshell this is the reason why a united Empire is essential and all those who are set on splitting it up are doing the human cause no favors, and it can be argued, are working for the Thalmor, knowingly or unknowingly.

I voted that Skyrim should stay with the Empire.

The Empire has no business in Skyrim It belongs to the Nords, well that's what I would say if Rolff Stone-Fist was standing next to me, however I'm a Dunmer and as such I don't care, so long as I still get my Sujamma.

Skyrim should become free, and Ulfric Stormcloak is the true High King. The Empire gave up any and all rights to Skyrim when they not only refused to protect their vassals - to whom they are obliged protection - but utterly offered them up for wholesale race-slaughter.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/439516/Skyrim/thalmorabductformorethantalosworship.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FKZExu2.jpg

Honestly the only way for the Aldormri Dominion (however you spell it) is going to be defeated is on a united front the Imperial dynasty has suffered a bit/a lot since Patrick Stewart Uriel Septim was killed so a leadership change is necessary not necessarily a new dynasty but not Titus Mede, my characters have always been imperials with the occasional Nordic or Brenton relative and from a role playing point of view my character loves the Empire but believes it has been degraded and it should be more likely his great great great grandfathers time (Hero Of Kvatch) where the dynasty was strong and generally most of the provinces were (somewhat) united.

So to wrap it up the Empire needs to win with a few leadership changes for the Thalmor to be defeated hopefully we'll see this in the next game as I wouldn't mind hunting some Thalmor

Hevnoraak for a free Skyrim!

Want a return to the Old Ways of your ancestors? Hevnoraak's just the Atmoran to do it. Hailing from the very frozen paradise of Atmora, Hevnoraak has all the credentials of a capable leader with 427 years of experience as active High Priest of the benevolent Dragon cult! And who better to interpret and resurrect Old Nordic ways, than a Nord who actually has first-hand experience?

Free Skyrim from the clutches of the oppressive Empire! Hevnoraak is an experienced war-leader. With powerful forgotten Draconic magicks, and his own http://i.imgur.com/wG1jBn7.jpg Hevnoraak has what it takes to defend Skyrim. With the blessing of Overlord Alduin, praise be. His divine safety, Guaranteed!

Pompous elves telling you who you can and can't worship? Not on Hevnoraak's watch! An experienced inquisitor in his own right. He knows all the tricks the Thalmor can try. No Elf will dictate who the Nords can worship in their own land! That duty falls to Hevnoraak. As last surviving High Priest of Alduin, his word is law. A Nord High Priest, for a Nord land, praise be. His benevolence, guaranteed by the Dragons themselves!

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Vote for Hevnoraak at the next moot! http://i.imgur.com/OEAOFCB.jpg

Or you could choose empire, Stormcloaks or Peace thingy.

I could. But that would further jeopardize the future of my kinsmen. What Skyrim needs is an ancient, experienced leader. Not petty warlords who have an embarrassing track-record of being caught, or some oppressive Empire of milk-drinkers.

So, the "Skyrim Should become free, however, Ulfric should not become High King." option gets my vote. Along with my candidacy, of course.