[Ross Thomas]

Star Wars Discussion Thread II

Attack of the Fans

Possible Spoilers

This is the Star Wars Discussion Thread where we can talk about all things Star Wars! Discuss the franchise; from the EU to the Cannon, from Comics to movies discuss it all here!

If your going to post possible spoiler information about upcoming (not released) films below please put it in spoiler tags. To do so just put (spoiler) before and (/spoiler) after it and replace the ( ) with [ ] .


Mr. Plinkett's Critical Prequel Reviews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYawIZoUrs&list=FLo98F70TR7cBal24GoelYEw&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lISNQ-STpiU&list=FLo98F70TR7cBal24GoelYEw&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABcXyZn9xjg

Full length reviews of the prequels that express why many Star Wars fans were unsatisfied with them. Explores the films and criticizes them on a technical and philosophical level. They are over an hour each and have a dark since of humor so they might not be to everyone's liking but are well worth watching at least once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbaliPyihCY

If you have issue with VII being like IV then you should watch this.

[Brandon Bernardi]

The discussion sometimes depends on access to facts. Its all trivial, but so is fandom.

http://www.starwars.com/databank- The Databank. You'd be surprised how many questions have concrete answers.

http://starwarz.com/starkiller/- Most extant drafts can be read here, the only fansite if you just like creative process.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/storyboards-reveal-the-amazing-star-wars-prequel-you-ne-510134498- The prequels that nearly were,

http://io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abrams-told-us-the-origin-story-of-star-wars-the-1747119292?rev=1449690297609&utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_twitter&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow- Abrams, on the vacuum left by Michael Arndt and the story's transition.

http://www.slashfilm.com/force-awakens-changes/- Tatooine Jakku had two suns, and Solo was a drunk puffed up, half-witted, scruffy looking nerf herder.

https://youtu.be/VlrfnT5KNGc- December interview of JJ and Kasdan by the Director's Guild.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-questions/2/- Questions or plot holes? The Force Awakens has both.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-novelization/2/- Adapts glosses from the screen play that give TFA needed context. The Republic snub Leia.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/herocomplex/la-et-hc-lawrence-kasdan-star-wars-han-solo-20151221-story.html

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-ca-hc-star-wars-lawrence-kasdan-20151206-story.html- The trilogy's nebulous trajectory.

http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-details/- Most recent news (spoiler free) about Rogue One.

[I’m my own]

http://s4.imgload.info/csjsfm5hy2b164d.jpg

[Chase McAbee]

We call those the Pizza Roll reviews . I might have to watch those again.

Anyway I thought I'd share my video showing the Micro Machines Death Star playset .

https://youtu.be/MMkIFFdvzvs

[Tai Scott]

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/05/star-wars-monopoly-missing-lead-character-has-fans-asking-wheresrey?CMP=fb_gu

[biiibi]

Thanks for posting all additional links! I'll be sure to include them in the OP of the next thread.


Anybody want a pizza roll?


Im probably going to link actual reviews to all of the movies and relable them something like Mr. Plinkett's critical review or something.

[Motionsharp]

I seem to remember Lucas saying that he couldn't do things like Coruscant back in the 80s, 'cause the technology wasn't there, so he had to wait until technology had caught up to his "vision". Trouble is, one film had already done it back in 1982...Blade Runner. More Lucas BS?

[maya papps]

Possibly.... probably a case of laziness more than anything.

[Nicola]

I personally think that, in many cases, Scott did a much better Coruscant than Lucas eventually ended up doing! Those aerial scenes with all the advertising signs and dark towering skyscraqers were far more convincing than the video game buildings Lucas did. Even the flying cars were more realistic!

[Brandi Norton]

Is it any wonder that Lucas copied many of his shots for Coruscant?

[Kat Ives]

Copying, as in badly...I mean, the Coruscant buildings don't look real.

[Shiarra Curtis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXQ12xnJSBI





Here's an article that presents good evidence to suggest that Rey is related to:

Spoiler

http://www.businessinsider.com/rey-in-star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-2016-1

[Tina Tupou]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWw_P9F4s9w

Pretty much how I feel about it.

[Chrissie Pillinger]

http://thetalkhouse.com/film/talks/rian-johnson-looper-talks-with-terry-gilliam-the-zero-theorem-for-the-talkhouse-film-podcast-part-1/

Rian isn't just directing 8, he's also writing both 8 and 9.

[sarah taylor]

The all important questions:

Who is Rey's Family?

Who is Finn's Family? Is he force sensitive?

Who is Snoke? Is he a Sith Lord?

Who is Maz? How did she get the Anakin/Luke lightsaber?

Why did Luke disappear? Is there a significant reason to find the First Jedi Temple?

Who is Benicio del Toro's character in episode 8 and maybe 9?

Will Rouge One be problematic since it's a one a done story?

Why is Harrison Ford and Max von Sydow listed as cast members for episode 8 on the IMDB?

[Emily Graham]

1. As far as evidence goes she looks to either be a Skywalker or Kenobi.

2. I dont think it will matter but IF he had to be connected to past films probably a Calrissian. So I doubt he's force sensitive.

3. Not sure, most likely Plagueis but could easily be just some random guy. Dont think he's a Sith but you never know.

4. She's force sensitive but says she's no Jedi and is unlikely be a Sith. According to her the tale of the lightsaber is for another time.

5. The Collector..... Duh.

6. I dont see it being problematic as it's pretty much a prequel to IV

7. Most likely a flashback sequence to explain some things. Sydow was a friend to Leia so he and Han most likely will be connected in a scene.

[Josh Trembly]

I think he is far too forgiving of the film's lack of originality.

My reaction to multiple viewings has been the opposite of his: I was less impressed on second viewing and even less impressed on third viewing. The first time I was bowled over by the exciting action and visuals. The second and third times the problems with the writing became increasingly glaring to me. I'm not sure I want to see it a fourth time now. I would rather stop while I still have some favorable opinions left.

I may watch it again later as part of the boxed set, after all three films are out.

[Cat Haines]

What was the nature of the smoke monster?

What was so special about Walt?

Who was in Jacob's Cabin?

Which ghosts were real, which ghosts were MIB?

Why was Aaron plot abandoned when it was so crucial for many characters and plot points, basically to the whole show?

It is a JJ Abrams movie all right.

This is the problem with cinematic universe movies, they can't hold on their own. I mean even trilogies can't hold it together completely. These movies just go forever without a proper resolution. GotG was my awakening. These movies are reducing each others into stepping stones and it is unfair because some are actually great or could have been.

Force Awakening is the least offensive movie I have ever seen. It is good, the new characters are all excellent. But the meat is not here, this is just the appetizer. I was hoping for more but the two main leads are completely clueless and they end pretty clueless and we follow them. Which is not bad actually, lots of fun watching them. But the movie becomes... empty? I hope the other movies will stand on their own and not become mere stepping stones.

I have no idea why anyone would watch it twice, watch the other two with the same plot instead. The funny thing is when the craze is over, people will rate this so low as it is so empty. The characters has no screentime except the two leads and they are clueless, driven by external forces. I mean A New Hope had Obi Wan, that guy tried his darndest to create motivation! When you examine the parallel they tried, you realize where they actually failed.

Also I can't believe JJ managed to hold back exposition. Since nothing remotely complex is going on, there is no room for unnecessary exposition. There is only one line but they tied it to a scene thematically so it is cool.

I loved only one scene in the movie, the other cool scenes were already in the trailers.

But it is a JJ Abrams movie, with a foundation of intriguing questions. Idiotic, unexciting answers or elegant, meaningful exciting answers? Their choice. (I am actually super excited to hear the story of everything that happened previously. Those parts can make a great movie I think!)

PS. Another thing that impressed me was that they actually once more went for a spoiled brat story. I like this about Hollywood. When an idea fails, some other filmmakers are like "I know how to make this work. I will show how it works.". They think of it as a challenge.

PPS. I can't believe they had a Tron Legacy homage.

[Alexis Estrada]

Watched the Star Wars:Rebels Pilot/Movie and I rather liked it, https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10401127_992003017526234_8579566584104597720_n.jpg?oh=b8036a1704debae00f7588e1b2ad3c54&oe=5713FF85 and I'll probably hunt down season 1 if I can.

[Chloe Botham]

I have to finish up season 2. It's good, a few campy moments here and there but it was actually what gave me hope that Disney could carry the Star Wars franchise. They made the force something mystical again, that was all I could ask for.

[Far'ed K.G.h.m]

Hey everyone! If anyone is into the old EU (pre-disney) I have a question. My knowledge is fairly limited with Star Wars, I've seen the movies and played a couple of the games. Those being KOTOR1/2, the Jedi Knight series, and the Battlefront series, and I'm not sure how much of those are even considered canon for the old EU. I'm also sure I'm missing some.

Anyway with all the Star Wars hype these days, I decided to pick up a novel I've been interested in reading for years now. Heir to the Empire! Upon opening the cover I noticed a really interesting timeline. I've never even thought of placing Star Wars on a timeline before, so I thought that it was really cool. I'm only two chapters into the book but I can't get how much I liked this small little timeline out of my head. It even gives the original trilogy some great context and makes me enjoy them even more imo.

Anyway, my question is can anyone give me a brief summary to what each section on the timeline is? I tried looking it up myself but I mostly just got references to comics and novels that I can read, without any sort of plot synopsis. But I just kind of wanted a basic outline.

The timeline is:

• Dawn of the Jedi


• Old Republic (not sure if this is referring to KOTOR or the prequels)


• Rise of the Empire (I'm assuming between the two movie trilogies)


• Rebellion (the original trilogy?)


• The New Republic (I'm assuming Heir to the Empire and onwards)


• New Jedi Order (maybe the Jedi Knight series, especially Jedi Academy?)


• Legacy (no idea on this one)

Thanks!

[bonita mathews]

That's what I love about The Force Awakens and Rebels, they brought back the force being mythical and not because you type O-9000 with midi-chorians hog wash. Honestly I would love for Disney along with Abrams after this trilogy is over redo the prequels. Rewrite episode 1 avoid bringing in kid Anakin, maybe have Owen Lars and Anakin be best buddies that get caught up in the Clone Wars that doesn't mean Jango Fett clones (although they would have to figure that part in since TFA does mention the Clone Troopers I think) and Anakin meets Obi-Wan the two forge a friendship (and not the one where Anakin is whining about meanine head Obi-Wan) and Obi-Wan decides to train Anakin and so on and so forth. I wouldn't mind if some of the actors from the prequels wanted a second chance and who knows since they've gotten a bit more acting under their belt and have a better script, I think the prequels can make a comeback.

[Rozlyn Robinson]

One thing I find annoying is that some fans keep saying that Lucas always intended Leia to be Luke's sister, because he contacted her with his mind in ESB. I mean, who else would he contact? Obi-Wan? Nope, not listening. Yoda? Nope, also not listening. Obi-Wan said that if he went to Bespin, then neither of them could interfere. In other words, he's on his own. So, who does Luke get to help him?

Luke hanging upside down from Cloud City:

Luke: "Han...hear me!"

Nope, Han's frozen.

Luke: "Wedge...hear me!"

Nah, that's silly. Also, Wedge is in another part of the galaxy running for his life from the Imperial fleet.

Luke: "Lando...hear me!"

At that point Luke doesn't know Lando. Also, Lando has just betrayed Han to the Empire. Not the ideal trustworthy candidate.

Luke: "Chewbacca...hear me!"

*rolls eyes*

Luke: "R2...hear me!"

Even if it wasn't silly, both 3PO and R2 are droids, and droids can't be contacted with telepathy.

Luke: "Father...hear me!"

No, even as a little kid I knew that Leia was the only one who Luke could seriously and dramatically contact at that moment. It'd also be obvious to him that she would've taken charge of the Falcon for the escape. Not only does he have a crush on her himself, but she's the only one who could get the Falcon turned back for a rescue attempt, so he contacted her.

[Jessie]

https://youtu.be/VgICnbC2-_Y

https://youtu.be/JAbug3AhYmw

https://youtu.be/6wKqH6vlGHU


Check these out. I think he does a fairly good job of recreating the prequels without making plot holes in the OT and still preserving the plot twists of the OT.

[willow]

Here's a cool article about TFA and structuralism


http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/off-the-clock-space-opera-millennials-and-their-gr/1100-5371/