[Mandy Muir]

All that I know is that, at the time of making ESB, there was another Jedi in training on the other side of the galaxy, Luke's sister who was hidden (as Luke was) after Anakin went over to the Dark Side. And nope, originally Owen and Tatooine weren't anything to do with Anakin. If I remember right, Owen was originally (i.e. during the making of ANH and ESB) Obi-Wan's brother. After all, isn't it a bit idiotic to hide Luke with Anakin's relatives? I also think Lucas shouldn't have tried to find silly names for what he really meant, DNA. If he'd simple written it in as DNA I doubt it would've sounded so cheesy.

[Catharine Krupinski]

Yeah but Anakin and Owen didn't have that brotherly connection most brothers have. Anakin's time on Tattooine in AOTC was brief if I remember correctly, and I don't think he ever stepped foot on that planet ever again. Unless he did in the 'Clone Wars' cartoon? But anyway keeping Luke with Owen and Beru was a safe thing to do imo, since Anakin never formed strong bonds with them.

[Chris BEvan]

I'm reading the actual script right now for TFA. It's actually quite good.

[Mrs. Patton]

Funnily enough, I always liked that the other one was Leia. It stopped the Jedi being the "good guys", because they were training Luke to kill his father, while keeping him ignorant of that fact.

[Quick Draw III]

Except didn't make any sense when you think about it. Ah don't worry if Luke fails, there is another - who happens to be one of the captives luke is trying to save and will most likely die as well.

[Sandeep Khatkar]

Exactly. Yoda knew that Leia was being held captive, so why did he talk about "The Other" as if it was a totally separate person? And if Luke fails in his rescue Leia would also be lost to the Empire, or worse. That means "The Other" was a totally different person when that was written.

[Lily Something]

I've been reading the posts in this thread, and I still have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed The Force Awakens. The two movies I do not like are Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace. For some reason, Lucas seemed to have some kind of "cute alien" fascination.

[ImmaTakeYour]

Yes, those Gammoreans were entirely too much, IMO.

[Kevan Olson]

I just hated the concept of metachlorians all together. The first thing your taught about the force is, "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."


This in no way implies that it's something genetic. It was a mystical energy that all beings were connected to.

[Trista Jim]

https://dejareviewer.com/2013/06/11/10-unsung-heroes-who-saved-star-wars/

[kennedy]

Yoda says that line in response to Obi Wan calling Luke their last hope. Which technically he isn't, as long as there's another person alive who could do the same job. Crash training Luke to fight Vader always seemed like a long shot anyway, so I think they're taking Han's "Never tell me the odds" stance on the whole situation.

Also, your point about "The Other":

Firstly, it's:

Obi- Wan: That boy is our last hope.

Yoda: No. There is another.

Yoda's saying there is another hope, in response to Obi-Wan's statement. Him phrasing it as "another" is perfectly suited to the context. He's not saying "don't worry, we've still got X", just that Luke is not their last hope.

In the scene on Dagobah where Yoda and Luke are discussing seeing the future, it's implied that not only has Yoda seen what Luke saw, but he saw more than Luke did. While Yoda says "always in motion is the future", he still tells Luke that he could help them, though it would "destroy all for which they have fought, and suffered".

And as for the underlined, let's not forget that it wasn't Luke that saved Leia and the others, it was Lando, with a little help from R2-D2, while Vader was distracted fighting Luke. So even if Luke was killed fighting Vader, Lando could still have gotten Leia and the others to safety.

So, it's really a question of how much Yoda saw. For all we know, Yoda saw the whole thing play out, but didn't want Luke to go because it would blunt his and Obi'Wan's plan.

And the fact that Luke only indirectly helps in Leia's rescue, in a way that won't change if he'd died in that confrontation, means that your last point doesn't actually work. Provided Leia survives in the event of Luke's death, and it seems fairly clear that she would, there's nothing stopping her being the one Yoda's referring to.

[Eire Charlotta]

Nice read.

But there's still one little plot hole in there being "another" who becomes Leia; Obi-Wan.

If we accept the movies as they now are in cannon then why didn't Obi-Wan already know about the other? If it were Leia, who by accounts in RotS, was given to Bail Organa by him then why didnt he already know that instead of assuming that Luke was their last hope? He should have already known that Leia was "Plan B" but instead in ESB he is completely oblivious to any other hope other than Luke. Then in RotJ he all of a sudden knows about her being his sister and how she could fall to the Emperor's will. I didnt know old man memory lapsed into ghost form

[TOYA toys]

The problem here isn't Obi-Wan, but the underlined. To put it bluntly, the fact that the prequels fail to maintain continuity with the original trilogy just demonstrates how [censored] they are. I would argue that the prequels cannot be considered canon, simply due to the inconsistencies they create in failing to maintain continuity. Obi-Wan apparently ages at twice the rate of the rest of the universe, not to mention starts losing his memory of the most significant events he's ever witnessed and taken part in. And then there's the question of R2-D2's losing the ability to fly(among other things), and the farce that is the Death Star plans being around during the Clone Wars.

[Vicki Gunn]

Better still, if Yoda knew that Leia was "Plan B", then why did he talk about her simply as one of Luke's "friends", and why was he quite willing to let the Empire have her, maybe even to kill her? Luke asked if they'd die, and Yoda didn't show any concern whether they died or not.

[Carys]

But as you paint the picture though is in a way irrelevant because the prequels, unfortunately, are cannon. My point still holds true regardless within the OT. The way Obi-Wan handles the whole "another" bit between V and VI and then tries to sweep it under the Rogue with the Leia revelation are all signs of a story that jumped tracks between films.

[Alexandra Louise Taylor]

Lucas can jump up and down and scream that they're canon until he's blue in the face, but the movies don't support it because of his inability to maintain continuity with his own films. If he'd done a proper job of making the prequels, those kinds of errors wouldn't be there.

I've never argued that the story didn't jump tracks. I said that I liked the way it went, and argued that it could be supported by the events of the films.

[Suzy Santana]

That was an interesting read. I never knew there were so many people responsible for making Star Wars possible. So many unsung heroes.

[Francesca]

I never argued that they did support it. I said unfortunately they are canon and Disney decided to keep them canon. Lucas has absolutely no control over the franchise now so it doesnt matter how much he screams about it. He can go fly a kite at this point.


While it did "work" there are still plot holes made by it.

[Jessica Nash]

Chadric, your links always send me to an about:blank page. Every single time. Never been able to follow your links. No one else's does this to me.

[Verity Hurding]

From what I can gather it's because you might be using one of those Mickey Mouse (sorry about the pun) handheld devices and I use the good ol' PC. If this'll help, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJWMxjWQoo

https://dejareviewer.com/2013/06/11/10-unsung-heroes-who-saved-star-wars/

[Del Arte]

Well, no, that doesn't explain it, because as I said, no one else's links do that.

[Hella Beast]

Hey, he made the films. If I won't listen to him on what is and isn't canon, what chance does Disney have?

In truth, there's no real shortage of those in the Star Wars films, especially if you include the prequels.

[Kortknee Bell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjyQe8v2cXQ

I really like his points and I hope we do get something along those lines.

[Stacy Hope]

I REALLY love his channel much like some game or movie critics or journalist whose views I trust, Greedo's in the same boat as far as his opinions goes. If I'm not mistaken I think he got an award for his channel I think.

[Beth Belcher]

Not yet, he's in the final 5 for the award. I like him and for general reviews I like Chris Stuckman.