[Joie Perez]

Good Post man, it clears what I wanted to say

[Charlotte Henderson]

Well it's the 8th now and still no 1.2 update for me. The game has not updated since the internal fix a few weeks ago.

[Jennifer Rose]

Well it's the 8th now and still no 1.2 update for me. The game has not updated since the internal fix a few weeks ago.

Dude, have you not been reading this thread at all?

On page 6 of THIS thread Cry-Adam has already responded stating that the 3mb patch we received on the 31/03/2010 was patch 1.02. A lot of the fixes were performance tweaks and bug fixes I'd never experienced so didn't seem to do much for me. The major issues it was supposed to have addressed however didn't work which has already been discussed in THIS thread.

We are waiting for another patch now patiently, which was also mentioned in this thread.

Regards

TB

[Jessica White]

Well it's the 8th now and still no 1.2 update for me. The game has not updated since the internal fix a few weeks ago.

Dude, have you not been reading this thread at all?

On page 6 of THIS thread Cry-Adam has already responded stating that the 3mb patch we received on the 31/03/2010 was patch 1.02. A lot of the fixes were performance tweaks and bug fixes I'd never experienced so didn't seem to do much for me. The major issues it was supposed to have addressed however didn't work which has already been discussed in THIS thread.

We are waiting for another patch now patiently, which was also mentioned in this thread.

Regards

TB

No offense, but maybe he didnt feel like reading every page. I surprisingly was able to however and actually enjoyed it. This is without a doubt the most insightful thread I have read, I was about ready to be done with this site due to all the flaming and general disdain, but this specific thread renewed my interest, thanks for that mull.

[Miranda Taylor]

@RagnarokZ21 - Your welcome, I started this thread so that we could open a mature and civil dialogue with the moderators, and it seems to have achieved that. I am very glad this thread hasn't fallen prey to trolls or been hijacked like my petition for dedicated servers, and I think the reason it hasn't is the manner in which all of the information is presented and all the issues discussed in a calm, polite way.

Thanks you for reading and posting your support, much appreciated.

[George PUluse]

Well it's the 8th now and still no 1.2 update for me. The game has not updated since the internal fix a few weeks ago.

Dude, have you not been reading this thread at all?

On page 6 of THIS thread Cry-Adam has already responded stating that the 3mb patch we received on the 31/03/2010 was patch 1.02. A lot of the fixes were performance tweaks and bug fixes I'd never experienced so didn't seem to do much for me. The major issues it was supposed to have addressed however didn't work which has already been discussed in THIS thread.

We are waiting for another patch now patiently, which was also mentioned in this thread.

Regards

TB

No offense, but maybe he didnt feel like reading every page. I surprisingly was able to however and actually enjoyed it. This is without a doubt the most insightful thread I have read, I was about ready to be done with this site due to all the flaming and general disdain, but this specific thread renewed my interest, thanks for that mull.

Considering that he went in to a thread about the patch then you would have thought you would read the previous posts before asking the same question.

There's an official term for it it's called netiquette. Not feeling like doing it is not a satisfactory reason. My two cents. N

Not interested in a clever response, don't want to get too off-topic on this thread but some things must be said.

[butterfly]

Well, KR4KKEN has had an in-game chat (He has a thread on it) with one of the Developers and had this to say:

- Another patch has been sent to Microsoft for clearance and hopefully will be out sometime this week.

- The Devs are checking YouTube for evidence on bugs, so they are more than likely ignoring the forums (Can't blame them 98% forums are a massive waste of time).

- There is to be several rounds of DLC, the first coming soon.

- The Engine for the game is so complicated that whenever they fix something they end up breaking something else.

It seems to me that they may have been working a little too hard on DLC and not remediating the issues and communicating with the forums. If the devs have this kind of information to provide I really can't understand why the moderators can't post information of it in a locked News thread at the top of the page. Seriously, 20+ days after release and there has been so little effort put into commincation with the community, I hope they realise that their title may very well become the by-word on lack of communication and issues on release, as in, "Atleast it isn't the same mess as Crysis 2", and, "Atleast they are better with providing information than Crytek".

That is just my 2 cents anyway - Thanks for reading and supporting the thread - MullPig

(@KR4KKEN, sorry for bogarting the info in your thread and posting it here, by it was pretty relevent in terms of what this thread has been about. Thanks posting your chat with the devs though - Much Appreciated.)

[Lucky Boy]

I just hope they patch this game soon because it has so much potential, not that it isn't already a good game. I'd really like to see the campaign bugs be fixed, the AI be buffed, and the multiplayer could run a little smoother.

[Jade Payton]

Well, KR4KKEN has had an in-game chat (He has a thread on it) with one of the Developers and had this to say:

- Another patch has been sent to Microsoft for clearance and hopefully will be out sometime this week.

- The Devs are checking YouTube for evidence on bugs, so they are more than likely ignoring the forums (Can't blame them 98% forums are a massive waste of time).

- There is to be several rounds of DLC, the first coming soon.

- The Engine for the game is so complicated that whenever they fix something they end up breaking something else.

It seems to me that they may have been working a little too hard on DLC and not remediating the issues and communicating with the forums. If the devs have this kind of information to provide I really can't understand why the moderators can't post information of it in a locked News thread at the top of the page. Seriously, 20+ days after release and there has been so little effort put into commincation with the community, I hope they realise that their title may very well become the by-word on lack of communication and issues on release, as in, "Atleast it isn't the same mess as Crysis 2", and, "Atleast they are better with providing information than Crytek".

That is just my 2 cents anyway - Thanks for reading and supporting the thread - MullPig

(@KR4KKEN, sorry for bogarting the info in your thread and posting it here, by it was pretty relevent in terms of what this thread has been about. Thanks posting your chat with the devs though - Much Appreciated.)


Thanks KR4KKEN. Glad I didn't have to wait for crytek to release this information.

[naana]

I hope the DLC is dx11 and Sandbox 3. Not this crap of a DLC concept that's going to separate the community (Refer to AVP2010 for a good example even Gabe Newell said last year his thoughts on something similar when he received the pioneer award and here's the quote).
"I think there's a direction that we're headed in, a splintering of the open platform that we are using to build our entertainment systems, "I'll create a closed hardware client, I'll create my proprietary walled off garden to deliver content to those customers, that that's tremendously seductive if your building one of those because all of the sudden you can exclude alternatives and competition, I don't have to compete with google on search anymore, I don't have to worry about Netflix delivering movies on my system, but we think that, even seductive as that is, will end up being a failure, that it doesn't do a good job servicing content creators, so as seductive as that is, we expect it to fail.
One of the most important lessons we've learned is that you have to be in partnership with your customers, whether its fact that we have two hundred thousand servers around the world running our games, whether its the mods and content your creating, that that partnership, that collaboration that starts when your designing a game and thinking about how this, the main character of your story doesn't have a copy of your scripting and yet somehow your supposed to be creating this narrative experience and this interactive entertainment with them.

All the way through every line of business function which is, most support questions end up getting answered by people on your forums."
"It's that partnership that's important"

Here's hoping that things will be for the better.

[Stefanny Cardona]

The only problem I ever had with AVP on Xbox was that there was no real lobby system, so after every match you are forced to search out another game - that is in its purest form why the MP community withered and died in that game, and it really is a shame, as that MP was brilliant.

On another note - I can't believe there is still no new information from the moderators, the devs have talked to the community in-game and the community has had to do all the ground work on providing one another information - that is really, really pathetic. What is the deal here? The devs seem to have more revelant information at hand, are they not passing this over to the forum moderators? Or are the moderators just afraid to get on the forums because of the amount of diatribe? I had several rounds of commincation with Cry-Adam in this forum, but that was a while ago now, and it was only late one night, nothing since.....

Why is there not a locked "News" thread in each of the systems forums? Not in every forum, just one for each system. And why does the thread listing the patch notes by Cry-Tom STILL states that all of those issues have been fixed, seriously this is becoming a really bad joke on the consumers who want to enjoy this product to the full extent and to its full potential. If I was getting paid to moderate these forums I can guarantee you I'd do the job so much better.

To offer an anology, as a Builder (which I am), if I were to be contracted by you to build a house within a specific time-frame, and I failed to do so (or did such a poor job it required extra cost to remediate), I would expect the client to either with-hold payment until the job was finished, making me inccur the cost of my incompetence, or I would be fired and some one else would be hired to finish what I started, at every stage along the way the consumer would have fail-safes in government legislation and be protected by legal standards that maintain what I must do in my professional conduct.

I can't believe that the Video Games Industry can act in the manner it does, there is almost no other Industry that would get away with it to the extent it has, and it isn't just Crytek and EA, it is becoming endemic across Publishers and Developers and across platforms. Only we as a united community of Gamers and Consumers can expect to change this. And it is such an absolute shame and disgrace that more often than not the community falls prey to in-fighting across platforms, that we would rather bicker amongst ourselves then band together and seek improvement.

- MullPig

[Czar Kahchi]

We also have to put in consideration that all companies take their own time when it comes to doing things. For example Valve.

Valve Time=http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time

Of course we do need to remember that it was a weekend. And chances are there's a skeleton Crew in the weekends. *Chances are that they took some of their free time Saturday to actually play with us* Which I'm sad to say I missed again! Because of my work *

How about setting something up down the road that actually can be caught on my day off?

AvP3 had the potential for GOTY 2010 and it missed... Crysis 2 has the strongest possibility of becoming GOTY for 2011 on all 3 platforms.
This will only happen if they keep innovating and keep sticking to their guns. We know what they are capable of, we know they'll do their best. We know they'll do the right thing. Now if only the other posters around here got the same idea.... To be frank, I'm looking forward to the door being opened wider for consoles and killing the closed sections that have been created by consoles. Crytek opens more doors. I did an article back in 2009 and 2010 about the possiblites. Here's what was said then
March 2010
Crysis 2 will be a change of pace for console gaming, pushing the bar higher and the expectations, hopefully it delivers on game-play and story plus, not only that, but open more windows into modding options since you can do mapping for PC and port it to 360 and PS3.

Which could open a door to MechWarrior: Living Legends for a multi-platform modification.
April 2009
Now this is the kicker, graphics being pushed up a notch on console gaming even further by this magnificent company, now this, I have to say will give me a reason to actually buy a console now, yes I know, before PC, I was a console gamer, such as my avatar (which is from Syphon Filter 2) suggests that I'm a console fan, well after seeing what the PC can offer more than the console, opinions change, but as I have always said, "the story and the character's shape the game, without them it is nothing but pretty scenery."

[Shelby McDonald]

I've said it in before in conversations with PC gamers that were denigrating Console gamers (I just think of myself as a Gamer) that the rising dominace of console gaming is due to several factors, availability, profit and the eventual mergering of the capabilties of both platforms. 2 generations of console down the road I cannot honestly envision much of a difference in the abilities of developers to provide excellence and push the envelope across platforms, this should be expected by the community, and we should react together as a unified entity. The Gamer culture and the Gaming generations are coming to the fore, in 20 years we will be those shaping politics and policy, and at its simplest running the show, if we cannot mature as a community, and act as is befitting of advlts (and lets face it, the average age of a "gamer" globally is 30) we are never going to be taken seriously. Nor should we.

It is a shame that we few that act in a manner befitting response cannot get the level of commuincation we deserve. But it is an absolute disgrace the manner in which the community reacts in entitled adolescent tantrums and bitter recriminations. And I do not always rise above this, but I find my frustration facilitated and exacerbated by the minimal effort the Developers and Publishers put in to reciprocal communication and respect with their consumers. I will admit that some few companies do far more, but it can be seen and demonstrated that they reap the benifits of continued support from their fanbases, sadly such is not the case here.

[FLYBOYLEAK]

Now here's the kicker, I'm a PC gamer and a console gamer. But now since we're getting to the point were consoles are stretching their legs to leaning more to the PC area, people still treat it as if its not. That's why they expect DLC for consoles. That's why PC gamers are so defensive. And again AVP2010 is a prime example of that reason why it failed. Sega/Rebellions stance on making AvP generally "fun" for everybody. Not creating a superior game for one platform (PC). But here the rules have changed. The CryEngine 3 was made to show that console games can stretch their boundaries and not to be just like any other engine. To quote Hargreave, "This isn't a war ordinary consoles can win, this is the future." We also have to remember that the PC version of Crysis 2. The PC gamers not settling for second place. Hell I'm not. I bought Crysis 2 for PC and 360. I've got 5 fps on Crysis 2... So I'm playing the 360 version. If I had a PS3 I'd be playing the PS3 version also. Because Crytek made a game that's that good. We know it is, we're playing it.

One more thought maybe the time gaps is because of that fact. Second place. But who cares I'd rather be in second place, have sandbox 3 for PC and be able to port mods and patches through it to consoles. It'd be worth taking that bullet. Instead of this 180 G crap for maps... What a joke pay for maps? It'd be like Chess. Pay for DLC 6 different maps of the same game. I'll pass.

[Ana]

22 days later............... still nothing from this company.

[Dark Mogul]

............
Hey Mull, could you please dig up the thread where this info was please?

There are too many people who want to be referred to it and I can't seem to find it. (What was the topic name?)

[Sarah Edmunds]

Go search up "Cry-Adam".

As well, KR4KKEN's information is about the best it can get ATM.

Cry-Adam hasn't released any information since the bogus patch notes at the top of the forum and Krakken's post isn't the best it can get.... Why should we have to rely on some random person on the forums for third party information?

Tho I'm not saying he is lying. Why should we believe his post? There's no information coming from this company yet a developer is going to give a random person in a MP game inside information? I highly doubt this. What is even more ridiculous is the fact that Cry-Adam hasn't responded to Krakken's post. Either verify the information or let it be known that it's bogus. Letting the community (you in particular) run around posting about a patch coming soon is ridiculous.

If I made up a thread saying the developers told me the game wasn't ever going to be fixed the thread would be called out for being BS and it would be locked or deleted within minutes. Since Krakken's post is positive propaganda, it gets left alone. More nonsense from this ridiculous company.

[Lilit Ager]

Trading Standards should be informed about this game, It's obviously been released too early, and the story has been all too similar with other EA titles and is not just a coincidence.

They are releasing games early to sell them fast and then patching them up later.

[Jeneene Hunte]

Well I see that Buddha's thread was replied to and then locked. Why am I not surprised, pretty sure that is exactly what both he and I said was going to happen. I'm guessing, that even though this thread is just as civil, the only reason it wasn't locked is I made a threat that if it was I would be lodging several complaints with the Office of Fair Trading (Aussie - Trading Standards).

I am waiting to the end of this week, to see if the Patch mentioned by KR4KKEN is real, and actually remediates issues and then I will be giving up if it all amount to nothing. I was so excited about this game, I waited impatiently for it to come out and then enjoyed the SP immensly (even with the issues) but was repeatedly frustrated to the point of breaking things by the MP. I have have been increasingly aggravated by the response from the moderators in Crytek's official outlet. I feel as though I have become the butt of an on-going joke between friends who would rather snicker and giggle across a room rather than honestly engage some one in conversation.

For all of those still following this post in the hopes of information and verification of the issues I will post the titles of the 2 threads I think should be read to gain an insight into how much effort the community has put in to trying to provided one another information and how little information has been provided in response, namely Buhhda's appeal for information and KR4KKEN's chat with the developers:

- "Had a good evening playing with one of the devs!" by T4S KR4KKEN

- "To Crytek: Patch Update Request" by TwistedBuddhaX

There are a few other threads that are interesting to read for information (or lack there of), I will search for them and add them to the list later.

- Thanks again for the support - MullPig

[Milagros Osorio]

Hey Mull, take a look here. http://www.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=23363&p=257678#p257678

[Alexandra walker]

Ahhh, damn, when is Crytek going to come out of the damn box and tell us something? Anything?

[HARDHEAD]

I've said it before, they have been working on DLC and doing very little about the patch, and once again the forums members have information before any of the moderators can provide it. I for one won't be giving them more of my money, I haven't been able to get down and dirty with an extended session in MP yet so why would I want NEW maps when I haven't been able to learn the layout of most of the existing maps... (RE: Map Rotation, Host Migration, etc....)

Apparently the consumer is only worth generic void-of-information statements repeated for the sake of being seen to be doing something. I may just give up entirely, stop wasting my time on the forums and waiting for a patch and go back to writing my short stories, atleast I will get the satisfaction of doing something that benefits me, reduces my frustration (marginally) and amounts to more than me twidling my thumbs in anticipation. This game had my impatient with anticipation and I have been sorely disappointed. not by the content, but with the lack of support from the developer and the moderators. I really could have been, and should have been, doing a lot more with my time this past month (yes, I know it has "only" been 3 weeks, but that is close enough to a month).

The amount of time I have wasted is just another testament to how much I actually enjoy the game, the engine, the concepts and the potential of the MP, but the lack of reciprocal activity and respect to their consumers is just making me angry, frustrated and deeply resentful. As stated in the OP, it is not harming my credibilty, it is harming theirs.

[Austin Suggs]

I've said it before, they have been working on DLC and doing very little about the patch, and once again the forums members have information before any of the moderators can provide it. I for one won't be giving them more of my money, I haven't been able to get down and dirty with an extended session in MP yet so why would I want NEW maps when I haven't been able to learn the layout of most of the existing maps... (RE: Map Rotation, Host Migration, etc....)

Apparently the consumer is only worth generic void-of-information statements repeated for the sake of being seen to be doing something. I may just give up entirely, stop wasting my time on the forums and waiting for a patch and go back to writing my short stories, atleast I will get the satisfaction of doing something that benefits me, reduces my frustration (marginally) and amounts to more than me twidling my thumbs in anticipation. This game had my impatient with anticipation and I have been sorely disappointed. not by the content, but with the lack of support from the developer and the moderators. I really could have been, and should have been, doing a lot more with my time this past month (yes, I know it has "only" been 3 weeks, but that is close enough to a month).

The amount of time I have wasted is just another testament to how much I actually enjoy the game, the engine, the concepts and the potential of the MP, but the lack of reciprocal activity and respect to their consumers is just making me angry, frustrated and deeply resentful. As stated in the OP, it is not harming my credibilty, it is harming theirs.

Hey,

I know how you feel, I was angry as hell after spending all the time in the "To Crytek: Patch Update Thread" trying to appeal to Crytek's humanity lol

This thread will most likely be closed soon as they don't like it when we say bad things about them, so here is the same advice I have given to myself.;

Accept you got less than you wanted and move on, I know we wanted to enjoy the game more fully as we are gamers and gaming is one of our favorite hobbies and we've been looking forward for a long-time. But if something is going to happen it will happen, everyone has said their piece and it is now up to Crytek to fulfil their end of the bargain. If they don't it will bite then in the a** in the future as everyone who bought this game will remember how the MP stinks. In many instances, what goes around does comes around.

I've given up, Crytek have won. Well Done. Now I just post topics that I like to talk about in-game and have washed my hands of this patch business. If they release a patch then that's cool, in the meantime I will just enjoy what I can of the MP.

TB

[The Time Car]

Well said TB, I've reached the same stage - I will frequent this forums less, and only pop my game in to check for a patch, and if it has resolved anything. That said, I am always looking for distraction while attempting to write fiction and this forum has provided in abundance. I have been atleast as antagonising in this thread, if not more so, than yours, and I am still slightly surprised it hasn't been permantly locked. I have been more surprised by the level of maturity and the degree of discourse by some few members of the forums. If any of you wish to continue conversing beyond this forum, don't hesitate to send me a PM or hit me up over XBL (Gamertag - MullPig). It has been a pleasure.

- MullPig

[Trevor Bostwick]

Very nice thread you got over here guys, mature, troll free and polite for the most parts. This and is sums up some of the concerns of customers. I'm not quite sure if crytek really did theirself a favour by spliting up the information flow into platform related subforums. I know subforums are needed just to give people a place to discuss about platform related issues, but in the end it doesn't match their own workflow. Cause, what some might forget, that they still need to develop for every single plattform at once. Whatever they do with the game DLC or what should be more important at this time to push updates so they get the game runing in a way it should have been from the very first begining. Just to do so for all 3 plattforms at once does involve alot of different resources. For the 360 it needs microsoft to be involved, for PS3 it needs Sony, for PC it needs at least steam and then for all of the 3 plattforms it needs at any time EA to be involved as they are the publisher.

I am pretty sure that crytek at this time starts to realize how complicated it can be, now that their game hit the day of light and they not only gotta deal with the different platform resources but also with the customers. Even tho i do understand how tricky it can be to keep the communication workflow up and runing, that still doesn't mean that I must like what I see, nor how the community managment is been handled. And I for sure don't. Cause in the end as the average customer, I don't need to know anything about the background, nor whats going on behind the scenes but I expect something that does live up to what custom care is meant to be. Don't blame the forums guys for what is going on in here, they are whats best described as gatekeepers. I am sure they would like to see alot of things changed in here as well.

This forum for sure is not the very best example of what it should be. But cmon how can it be? It got 2 officials and some background moderators that hardly seem to know what the other is doing, at any time. So I am not surpised that the missing internal communication structure of crytek and their community managers is reflected in this forum and the way they communicate with their customers, which can be described best with what the upper left logo of this site says since the very first begining "My Crysis Beta". Or in other more friendly words, there is room for alot of improvements. Improvements that have been mentioned in so many post spread allover the forum already and don't need to be mentioned again. Cause do the math, its aprox 80000 new post since the game has been released, its two guys + x, do you really expect them to read every single one of them, nor to take care of it? If its just 1% of the posts that is actually interesting and not just random trolling and ranting, this would be already 800 posts they would need to think about, judge based on their value and forward to whoever is in charge. As I said above already, this is really more about gatekeeping as about custom care, don't expect to much from those handfull of guys that for sure work hard for their money.

I don't mind that crytek went multiplatform with their game, cause in the end I am pretty sure that every single platform can benefit from it, when its done full but not half hearted. And I am sure about one thing, alot of their employees are working hard for this game, harder than most of the customers would pay them credit for. Just cause they can't see whats going on in the background nor care about it, while they gotta deal with an obviously unfinished and broken product. But then maybe crytek really didn't think about all of the aspects that come with it while they were stuck in everyday production life. Maybe the engine can handle 3 plattform at once, but this for sure doesn't work for the custom care department neither the community management. And everyone that looks in here, be it a customer that expects information about the product, or crytek officials will realise it.

I still think everyone should give crytek some time to get used to the new situation. Noone knows how things may look 3 months from now. All of this is a rolercoster ride for crytek since they released the game and either they will live up tho the standards they put upon themself and made the customer believe in while they advertised the game, or they won't. But then in a fast pace environment, patience is something that shouldn't be expected from a customer in general. As they will always go for the next hype which is just around the next corner. For most of us its just a game, some hours of frustration with an unfinished product and 60 bugs, we might have wasted in the end, but for them its years of their life and maybe parts of their future, if this project really should fail.

Noone knows by now, but then I know the world keeps spining around, thats for sure