Stealth breaking outside : III

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:04 am

Stealth works fine inside, but once I got outside I can't even get the Sneak Icon, nothing. Tried almost every dark spot in Seyda Neen, hidden behind the wall of the Census building, where there is absolutely no NPC or Creature, even close and it's 1 am dark. Anything on this load list look capable of causing this?

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[Game Files]
GameFile0=Morrowind.esm
GameFile1=Tribunal.esm
GameFile2=Bloodmoon.esm
GameFile3=Texture Fix - Bloodmoon 1.1.esm
GameFile4=Morrowind Patch 1.6.5 Beta (BTB Edit).esm
GameFile5=Poorly Placed Object Fix.esm
GameFile6=Texture Fix 2.0.esm
GameFile7=Assassins Armory.esm
GameFile8=Assassins Armory - Unofficial Patch 7.7.esp
GameFile9=SirLuthor-Tools.esp
GameFile10=Unique Banners and Signs.esp
GameFile11=Windows Glow.esp
GameFile12=Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp
GameFile13=PSsorticon.esp
GameFile14=Dagger of Symmachus.esp
GameFile15=abotWindowsGlow.esp
GameFile16=Statue Replacer - Normal.esp
GameFile17=Barabus' fireplaces 2.esp
GameFile18=bones.esp
GameFile19=Shieldfx.esp
GameFile20=OR_Fang.esp
GameFile21=OR_ForkH.esp
GameFile22=Book Jackets - Morrowind.esp
GameFile23=Book Jackets - Tribunal.esp
GameFile24=Book Jackets - Bloodmoon.esp
GameFile25=Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
GameFile26=NewBlood_MwTbBm1.1.esp
GameFile27=Neo's Unique Creatures.esp
GameFile28=BetterClothesForTB.esp
GameFile29=correctUV Ore Replacer 1.0.esp
GameFile30=Abandoned Flat.esp
GameFile31=Bloated Caves.esp
GameFile32=Graphic Herbalism.esp
GameFile33=Graphic Herbalism Extra.esp
GameFile34=almalexia armor.esp
GameFile35=Windows Glow - Tribunal Eng.esp
GameFile36=Windows Glow - Bloodmoon Eng.esp
GameFile37=UAR_EbonySarano_v2.esp
GameFile38=Windows Glow - Raven Rock Eng.esp
GameFile39=WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP
GameFile40=New Veloth's Judgement 2.esp
GameFile41=Better Skulls.ESP
GameFile42=Particle Arrow Replacer.esp
GameFile43=UAR_Bloodworm_v2.esp
GameFile44=UAR_ChodalaBoots.esp
GameFile45=SNR_ThievesStep_Standart.esp
GameFile46=ExcellentMagicSounds.esp
GameFile47=MA_snowprincetomb_v3.esp
GameFile48=Psy_IronMeshImprove_Uniques_BME.esp
GameFile49=AtmosphericSoundEffects-3.0-Tribunal.esp
GameFile50=More Better Clothes.esp
GameFile51=Golden Gold.esp
GameFile52=guarskin_drum_replacer.esp
GameFile53=Vurt's Grazelands Trees.esp
GameFile54=UniqueFinery.esp
GameFile55=Unique Jewelry and Accessories.esp
GameFile56=Animated Morrowind.esp
GameFile57=New Voices.esp
GameFile58=Sleepers, Awake!.esp
GameFile59=OTR_Coast_Variety.esp
GameFile60=LeftGloves_Addon_v2.esp
GameFile61=Clean MCFC_1.0.esp
GameFile62=imperial chain fix.esp
GameFile63=UF_HortRobeF001.esp
GameFile64=Better_Sounds.esp
GameFile65=Vurt's BC Tree Replacer II.esp
GameFile66=TLM - Complete.esp
GameFile67=New Bodies - Mature.esp
GameFile68=Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
GameFile69=Antares Creatures Merge.esp
GameFile70=Creatures.esp
GameFile71=Pickpocket Fix.esp
GameFile72=Improved Inns.esp
GameFile73=Healers.esp
GameFile74=abotWaterLife.esm
GameFile75=abotBoats.esp
GameFile76=abotSiltStriders.esp
GameFile77=abotWhereAreAllBirdsGoing.esp
GameFile78=newarrows.esp
GameFile79=BetterMusicSystem_1.9.1.esp
GameFile80=P.R.E. v4.0.esp
GameFile81=frostmoth_repaired_v0_31.esp
GameFile82=Fair Magicka Regen 2.0b.esp
GameFile83=WolfCompblack_ver3_0.esp
GameFile84=Drug Realism.esp
GameFile85=DB_Attack_Mod.esp
GameFile86=Beds4Rent.esp
GameFile87=Keening_Reforged_v2.0.esp
GameFile88=Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
GameFile89=SR_Alchemy_merchant.esp
GameFile90=AltShieldsRemover.esp
GameFile91=LiteWeight Ingredients.esp
GameFile92=Executor Zurg's Merchant Money Mod.esp
GameFile93=No more respawning - Morrowind.esp
GameFile94=No more respawning - Tribunal.esp
GameFile95=No more respawning - Bloodmoon.esp
GameFile96=Madd Leveler - Base.esp
GameFile97=Madd Leveler - Quest Cap Remover.esp
GameFile98=Madd Leveler - Assassin's Armory Fix.esp
GameFile99=Tutorial Disables.esp

This better not be those damn bats, again! :brokencomputer:

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:01 am

You may not have a good sneak skill?

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:11 pm

I'm pretty sure TLM - Complete gives penalties or bonuses to sneak depending on location, weather and time of day, and it does say this in the readme. There is a modular version if you don't want that.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:12 am

Idon'tunderstand, it's the middle of the night and no one/thing is around and I can't get a Sneak Icon? It's 61, iirc. and it works perfectly indoors. I can Pickpocket and Steal off shelves next to NPCs while Sneaking.

Arsuru, is TLM (had to look it up) causing my problem, don't think I have it installed unless it's part of MGSO? Sneaking outside should work in Morrowind, it's been awhile since I played but....

Thanks.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:28 am

Well, it's in your mod list, so you should know what it is. #66. It might be in MGSO since it tweaks lighting, but the complete version affects gameplay as well so I wouldn't expect it to be there, unless it has been edited. There is a list of all included mods on on the MGSO website. I don't see anything that adds NPCs or anything that appears to modify stealth functionality, so I don't know, unless you have a low sneak skill. Check your active spell effects for anything that modifies sneak.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:40 am

Damn, sorry I missed it and had never heard of it when I looked it up. Think I need caffeine, lol. Yes it has to be MSGO then never used or heard of it. I will try disabling it, thank you.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:15 am

Weird I disabled most of the mods and it's still exists. Wonder if Idon'tunderstand is correct, maybe there is some magic number you need to be to hide outside whether it's complete dark or daylight. :confused:

At skill 80 (?) I magically can use Sneak outside?

Iirc, only added about 20 of those mods, most are from MGSO.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:04 am

There is no magic number; neither the time of day, light or location affects your ability to sneak without mods. Your sneak skill, the NPCs sneak skill, whether they can see you or not, the weight of your footwear and being a werewolf are the only factors that I know of. The icon doesn't come up immediately either. Does this still happen with all mods disabled?

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:00 am

That's what I thought too, then it must be a mod or combination of mods, if not something MGSO has done. I've been afraid to try to disable them all, since 80% of the mods are from MGSO and not sure it will run.

I'll try to get up the courage to disable them all, maybe tequila will help?

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:45 am

Maybe, though disabling is only for testing and narrowing it down; you aren't going to break anything as long as you don't overwrite a save. Try disabling in chunks of mods until you narrow it down.