Steam and Fallout: New Vegas

Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:09 pm

Don't have to use such a rude tone either, it's like arguing with a religious fanatic :/
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BethanyRhain
 
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:05 am

Compared to GFWL, Steam is an excellent choice. For those of you concerned about modding, on Fallout 3 it's the exact same thing as it is on the retail disk version except a slightly different folder directory that you need to extract the mods to. The GECK also works perfectly with the Steam version.
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Romy Welsch
 
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:13 am

I spent over $350 on Fallout 3, bought two copies of Oblivion (with all DLC) and two copies of GOTY Morrowind. I had planned to buy at least two copies of the Collector's Edition of New Vegas until this Steam garbage was announced. I don't use Steam and I don't want Steam. Their service will eventually close. I don't need a $70 drink coaster.

Obsidian and Bethesda can keep New Vegas. They've lost me as a customer. Sure, I'm only one person. They don't care if they miss out on my few dollars. If people would stick together and refuse to buy this game we could accomplish something but that will never happen.

I'll be over here happily playing my internet connection-less, Steam-less and GFWL-free games. I might even use the money Obsidian is saving me towards a nice little vacation.
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Trevor Bostwick
 
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:04 pm

So, have I understood this thing correctly: Steam is only used for the initial activation during installation, after which it moves to a non-mandatory backgroung item - no need to login (even for offline mode) to play?


On page one they say "you do not have to be online to play the game after your initial activation." But that could mean offline mode... so no true black and white statement about if F:NV can run without steam running has been established. Nor has the requirement for a steamapps install or if we can have a custom install directory for SSD drives or other locations.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:03 am

I spent over $350 on Fallout 3, bought two copies of Oblivion (with all DLC) and two copies of GOTY Morrowind. I had planned to buy at least two copies of the Collector's Edition of New Vegas until this Steam garbage was announced. I don't use Steam and I don't want Steam. Their service will eventually close. I don't need a $70 drink coaster.

Obsidian and Bethesda can keep New Vegas. They've lost me as a customer. Sure, I'm only one person. They don't care if they miss out on my few dollars. If people would stick together and refuse to buy this game we could accomplish something but that will never happen.

I'll be over here happily playing my internet connection-less, Steam-less and GFWL-free games. I might even use the money Obsidian is saving me towards a nice little vacation.


Are you encouraging people to boycott Fallout? All you would "accomplish" would be to give Fallout less sales, and lessen the chance of sequels made for it.
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:22 pm

I might just have to buy this game because of it using steam. I love steam, I even just bought oblivion over steam and I probably won't even play it that much because I already have morrowind on steam and morrowind is a much better game than oblivion.
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:24 pm

Actually if steam ever had to shutdown Valve said they would get rid of all the DRM on your game files and be on their way, so yea, you're pretty much an idiot


And you're naive if you believe them. Also reported for insult.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:42 am

On page one they say "you do not have to be online to play the game after your initial activation." But that could mean offline mode... so no true black and white statement about if F:NV can run without steam running has been established. Nor has the requirement for a steamapps install or if we can have a custom install directory for SSD drives or other locations.


There's a few games that use Steamworks like Supreme Commander 2 and The Last Remnant. You CANNOT change the install directory and you WILL need Steam at all times to play the game.
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:44 pm

And you're naive if you believe them. Also reported for insult.

QQ more please. Granted I might get in a bit of trouble for saying this but there are already ways around steam. If valve would (n)ever go out of business it probably wouldn't be a surprise and you could just download all of your games and just go around steam.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:18 am

What makes you think they won't? and I think anyone who knows nothing about what they're talking about deserves an insult


He also insulted us (those who are not opposed Steam) but he edited his post :/ He said "some [censored]", but now it just says "some of you"
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:54 pm

Are you encouraging people to boycott Fallout? All you would "accomplish" would be to give Fallout less sales, and lessen the chance of sequels made for it.


If the sequels are plagued with Steam or internet activation too, I do not need more Fallout games. I'm going to vote with my wallet and not buy this game nor any other game that requires Steam or any internet activation.
And YES, I encourage other to do the exact same thing.
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:42 pm

What makes you think they won't? and I think anyone who knows nothing about what they're talking about deserves an insult


I'm afraid I have somewhat better understanding of Steam and the PC market than you do thanks to my profession, but let's leave it at that.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:28 am

If the sequels are plagued with Steam or internet activation too, I do not need more Fallout games. I'm going to vote with my wallet and not buy this game nor any other game that requires Steam or any internet activation.
And YES, I encourage other to do the exact same thing.


So you give a crap about how good the game is, the setting, the lore, the atmosphere, the story, all that because the game requires an online activation? ONE online activation?
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:22 pm

Are you encouraging people to boycott Fallout? All you would "accomplish" would be to give Fallout less sales, and lessen the chance of sequels made for it.


I am encouraging people to stand up for what they believe in. Anyone who does not want Steam in their retail-purchased, disc-based, single-player game should not buy any such game which requires them to use a service they do not want.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:34 am

He also insulted us (those who are not opposed Steam) but he edited his post :/ He said "some [censored]", but now it just says "some of you"


It said fan boys written together, for some reason it's censored.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:11 am

So you give a crap about how good the game is, the setting, the lore, the atmosphere, the story, all that because the game requires an online activation? ONE online activation?


If you had any principles you would too. If the game forces me to use a software and service I might not like I'd rather pass on the game than be a corporate puppet.
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:01 pm

I'm afraid I have somewhat better understanding of Steam and the PC market than you do thanks to my profession, but let's leave it at that.



You have no idea what you're talking about, it's so funny! Steam can't just shut down and deny you access to games you bought just because they went out of business, that's not legal in any sense. Do you see Car manufacturers recalling cars they made and sold you because they went out of business? No, you don't. It's the same concept with anything you buy from a company. Even if valve did somehow shutdown steam without holding their promises through, do you know how much legal trouble they would be in? What's your profession, working at a mental hospital banging on a keyboard all day? Lord knows you'd make more sense if that's what it was.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:17 am

You have no idea what you're talking about, it's so funny! Steam can't just shut down and deny you access to games you bought just because they went out of business, that's not legal in any sense. Do you see Car manufacturers recalling cars they made and sold you because they went out of business? No, you don't. It's the same concept with anything you buy from a company. Even if valve did somehow shutdown steam without holding their promises through, do you know how much legal trouble they would be in? What's your profession, working at a mental hospital banging on a keyboard all day? Lord knows you'd make more sense if that's what it was.



Haha, your post makes me laugh. Obviously you haven't read their Terms of Service. I suggest you do, before making yourself any more of a joke.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:04 am

If you had any principles you would too. If the game forces me to use a software and service I might not like I'd rather pass on the game than be a corporate puppet.


Sorry, but I play games for the experience. It isn't politics.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:50 am

Haha, your post makes me laugh. Obviously you haven't read their Terms of Service. I suggest you do, before making yourself any more of a joke.


Ok then, quote me some pieces out of it where it says they can just shut down and two million people their games they bought, because apparently you know what you're talking about.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:47 am

Ok then, quote me some pieces out of it where it says they can just shut down and two million people their games they bought, because apparently you know what you're talking about.


Well, here's one of the nice parts:

"In the case of a one-time purchase of a product license (e.g., purchase of a single game) from Valve, Valve may choose to terminate or cancel your Subscription in its entirety or may terminate or cancel only a portion of the Subscription (e.g., access to the software via Steam) and Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide access (for a limited period of time) to the download of a stand-alone version of the software and content associated with such one-time purchase."

I'm sure you can understand what that basically means. And the other thing is that Valve has NO legal power to give any support for third party products nor can they provide downloads if they go under. It's all in the ToS. You REALLY do need to read it since you haven't before spouting how godsend Steam is.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:01 am

Sad but true. :nope:

But there is always a first time, it would be great if Bethesda were the first to release, in some months, a DRM removal patch allowing the game to run without Steam.

Heck if even Ubisoft are capable of releasing DRM-free patches for some of their games why wouldn't Bethesda be able to do the same.


I am hoping the Games of the Year edition is Steam-less, personally, though that probably won't happen.
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:03 pm

I am hoping the Games of the Year edition is Steam-less, personally, though that probably won't happen.


Well, there's still time for them to change their minds about Steam.
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Post » Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:40 am

There's a second hand market for PC games? I haven't seen a store that would even take PC software returns, let alone buy back & sell used, in eons.


Ebay and Amazon have used copies of pretty much every PC game ever... just because Gamestop doesn't carry something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Games with no activation DRM sell for pretty good prices... activation games less so, but they still sell for something.
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Post » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:21 pm

You have no idea what you're talking about, it's so funny! Steam can't just shut down and deny you access to games you bought just because they went out of business, that's not legal in any sense. Do you see Car manufacturers recalling cars they made and sold you because they went out of business? No, you don't. It's the same concept with anything you buy from a company. Even if valve did somehow shutdown steam without holding their promises through, do you know how much legal trouble they would be in? What's your profession, working at a mental hospital banging on a keyboard all day? Lord knows you'd make more sense if that's what it was.


This is the most ignorant thing I have read on the internet in quite some time. You literally have NO idea what you are talking about, and I hope you read and respond to the quote from the Steam ToS that someone else posted.

Are all Steam fans this blind to the lack of control they have over their purchases? It would explain a lot.
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