Still the same old armors? : V - Skyrim

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:46 am

Full Daedric in Morrowind with one helm was 309 units. It was 162 in Oblivion.

I'd be happy with it at Oblivion's weight. It's supposed to be heavy armor, after all.

TBH, I always felt that stuff was far too heavy in oblivion as well. IRL stuff doesn't get any heavier than 80lbs for a full set of armor, with swords weighing in at a under 10 pounds a piece.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:20 am

I don't wear the best armour. I wear what looks coolest. At one point it was kvatch guard armour, or chainmail.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:11 pm

I hope we can simply strengthen our armour via Smithing. A ranger in anything but Leather or cloth is just Wrong.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:46 am

TBH, I always felt that stuff was far too heavy in oblivion as well. IRL stuff doesn't get any heavier than 80lbs for a full set of armor, with swords weighing in at a under 10 pounds a piece.

I said this in another thread. The units aren't pounds. Realistically it would be about 2-3 units per pound, making Daedric in Oblivion weigh 50-80 pounds with the shield and gives a really strong man the ability to lug around 200 pounds of random junk. Swords are unrealistically heavy, not armor. Even at 2-3 units per pound one-handed swords are weighing in at 10-20 pounds. 3 pounds is realistic for a typical 33-inch one-handed sword.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:33 am

I know that we have seen some different armors in videos and whatnot, but are the same armors still going to be ranked the same. I know they'll probably be revamped in look, but will Daedric/Glass still be the best?

We saw elven armor in the demo, so this is where the concern came from.

I'm going to be playing a Guardian (Heavy armor, blades, shield, restoration, etc) and I want to have the choice between several different armor sets at endgame, not just be stuck with Daedric.

Oblivion was very limited in armor. There was a set armor for your level and type, and that was it.

Morrowind was better than OB, it had more variety, but due to the time the game was made, the armors all look a little... weird.

At endgame, I want my guardian to have choices. Maybe between Daedric, Dragon Bone, Ayleid Plate, etc.

I know, I could use armor thats weaker, but I can't do that. Don't know why, never have been able to. (thats why I no longer have my 100% Chameleon suit, its to tempting.)

I loath Daedric armor and weapons. I'll mod some steel plate and decent looking steel weapons if I have to, but I'm not using that junk...glass either.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:49 am

While I am all for choices, I don't think there is anything wrong with ebony infused with Daedric essence being the very best in game armour. It's effectively Daemon armour, so I can't see a problem with it being ugly either. Unless you are powergaming, surely it's no problem wearing armour that suits your character, and you like the look of, that provides slightly less protection.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:33 am

I think there should be different varieties of Daedric armour, like there was with the helmets in Morrowind - with the three masks. Three's a good number to keep them rare enough, and have those three varieties of each piece of armour in set pieces (unlike the randomised bandits in ebony and daedric at the end of Oblivion), perhaps keep the most valuable at the end of those massive several-hour-long dungeon crawls they've been talking about.

The most important thing about top-tier armour is that it should not be abundant loot. Perhaps the occasional glass/ebony wearing NPC that has been hand-selected, but Daedric should be found on no more than one super-powered NPC that takes hours of exploration, neck slicing, and health conservation in order to simply reach.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:20 am

Armor class always ended up becoming irrelephant for my characters in Oblivion and Morrowind, so I just went with what I thought looked the most aesthetically pleasing.
It would be nice to have to have a perk to be able to wear certain tiers of armor or something, so I wasn't just wearing whatever.

irrelephant?! is that like some sort of anti-elephant? the elephant arch nemesis!! determined to rid the world of all things elephant!

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:29 am

Hopefully they'll be Bear and Wolf armor like in Bloodmoon.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:48 am

I hated in oblivion how once you went past leather armour in the light armours they all are all chain/plate armours, so my now my stealthy character looks like a tank. Wish light armours would always be light as in leathers, hides, bone sets (like chitin). Glass is an exception of course because it's awesome (morrowind glass anyway).

I'm hoping this time round armour affects speed much more (since speed has essentially been 'taken out'). So say daedric is the strongest but slows you the most and weighs the most, this at least gives you reason to consider the lower armours over the higher tier ones.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:19 am

I miss http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Adamantium_Armor. In fact, I miss medium armour - for those occasions when light armour isn't enough and heavy is too much. If Fallout: NV can have medium armour... and spears... why can't Skyrim?

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:40 am

There is lore for ice armor too, that would be pretty cool. Zing!

Genius :clap: :thumbsup:

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:10 am

I miss http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Adamantium_Armor. In fact, I miss medium armour - for those occasions when light armour isn't enough and heavy is too much. If Fallout: NV can have medium armour... and spears... why can't Skyrim?

I sorta wish we had medium back too. With them balancing it could be great, obviously it would have to be not the best for stealth and not the best for straight up combat but fit nicely in the middle.

Forgot there were spears in new vegas... and throwing weapons come to think of it... damn, new vegas has more weapon types than Skyrim without including the guns! Hand to hand weapons for example over just using fists.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:00 am

Because I like how it looks?
Because I play a character that wouldnt wear daedric armour for religious reasons? (Seeing as how its made an all.)

Elder scrolls is I think the wrong sort of game to powergame, always going for 'the best stuff.'
I mean you can, but its hardly as rewarding as roleplaying the game.

Lol, I better you wouldn't be saying that if you had to face a real dragon? Which begs the question, what is the correct form of roleplaying? Looking right, or going for maximum protection?

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:31 pm

I miss http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Adamantium_Armor. In fact, I miss medium armour - for those occasions when light armour isn't enough and heavy is too much. If Fallout: NV can have medium armour... and spears... why can't Skyrim?

You have a really good point.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:31 pm

Lol, I better you wouldn't be saying that if you had to face a real dragon? Which begs the question, what is the correct form of roleplaying? Looking right, or going for maximum protection?

Rather depends on your character
One of my characters in MW always wore Imperial Templar armour because I liked how it looked, but more importantly because she was proud of being a Knight serving the Emperor and wanted everyone to know it

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:59 am

I can't believe people really think deadric and glass will be the best armor available. It's a new installment people! I doubt they will even be in the high end scale...

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:27 am

Bethesda should create more top-tier armour sets or pieces, and / or make it so that armour pieces are good in different ways, so there's drawbacks and advantages to each set, with no one set being the absolute best in every respect. I want more variety than just Daedric

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:21 am

Same armor names, different look. Same as Daggerfall to MW to OB

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:58 am

Armor class always ended up becoming irrelephant for my characters in Oblivion and Morrowind, so I just went with what I thought looked the most aesthetically pleasing.
It would be nice to have to have a perk to be able to wear certain tiers of armor or something, so I wasn't just wearing whatever.

irrelephant? :lol:

irrelevant.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:06 am

Also, Morrowind has 170 items of base armour, not including those added in expansions and plugins, which should boost it above 200.

Oblivion has nowhere near this much, even including 'rusty', 'tattered' and 'rough' versions of base armour.

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:21 am

Not read all the comments because I'm just up and my eyes hurt but are you sure there will even be Daedric armour. I thought the only reason for daedric armour was because of these bad boys:

bliviongate: Just realised there was an emoticon for that <3

I didn't think they would be making a return.

EDIT: Since we're killing dragons could we not just like rip off some of their dragon plates and make them into armour?

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:49 am

Just do what I did.

Steel Armor = gondorian badass

Some of you may say
"But steel armor was terrible"

Well just shut up and listen to what I have next for you kids

fix it with a shield spell enchant

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:44 am

I never liked the look of higher tier armor sets like daedric and dwarven. My character would stick to iron or steel (or leather for light) through the whole game

Basically, anything that makes my pc look like an adventurer rather than someone who decided to plunder some relic armour from the museum

» Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:27 am

In Oblivion I weared Blade Armor just because I liked how it looked. I agree that some variation in high-tier armor would be cool, each one with different characteristics (for example some leather armor for stealthy guys... Glass armor was horrible for them), though it had never been a problem for me not to wear the best armor. I didn't even wear helmets because I didn't like them...

Also... in Morrowind was not different. The only thing was that there was a high-tier Medium armor.