This really isn't going to be news to anyone except CandleJack, but some of MK's stuff has definitely become cannon. I didn't stop to read any of the books, but I have been stealing them all and taking note of their titles. Among them have been several formerly-obscure-texts. I doubt we'll end up finding the loveletter or Kinmune anywhere, but this should be a strong argument for the legitimacy of MK's input.

Hell, the first book you find in the game (pertaining to Dragonborn) seems like it was written directly in response to a number of threads in this forum; when they referenced red mountain as the Red Tower I just about burst with joy.

And Brass Tower, I squeed like a little girl when I read that.

I just need to find MAORE BOOKS!

I practically joy-snowed my pants when I read the Book of the Dragonborn cause of all the references that it contained. I've yet to play, but so far it's looking like Skyrim is really using all the modern lore that we have been discussing for ages. Might be the first true TES game lore wise (Morrowind had the beginnings, but didn't really involve them in the storyline).

MinotaurWarrior: care to post specific titles?

edit: unfortunately, Skyrim doesn't excuse me from life (and if it did, I'd be playing, not posting) so I can't just list them all off. I distinctly remember the Monomyth, I think I recall The Imperial Census of Daedra Lords, and besides that, a lot of nordy-titles looked familiar. For new stuff, there was a book that seemed to be about the whole Sheo-weirdness, something about Nightingales (associated with Meridia, or Nocturnal, or someone), and a couple of storybooks that seemed new. Also, the KotN stuff got "re-printed"

Some of us didn't read the book in game I think I need to avoid this place (hah, as if that's going to happen) until I actually play so that I don't risk more spoilerz.

Oh Mino, youz be trollin' :biggrin:

In other news, MK has cannons!

Monomyth was in Morrowind, so its not an obscure text. Still really nice to see it back, though. 'Twas really the start of this whole debacle.

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Dead link, milady.

But there are in-game references to Hogithum now?

Monomyth was already official.

Anyone got a list of books that are no longer obscure?

(I can't play the game myself until I get a new graphics card, and that's on hold for the time being).

"From The Many-Headed Talos" is (partially) included. I'll let you find where (hint: it's not in a book).

The books, The Song of Pelinal, are in the game. Found the second book, with a preface saying
[Editor's Note: Volumes 1-6 are taken from the so called Reman-Manuscript located in the Imperial Library...]

Maybe a hat tip to the website?

Aye, but in another book Red Mountain was referred to as Vvardenfell Mountain. Geologically, I guess it's technically correct; just never heard it called that before. Also I'm hoping they do some typo hot fixes, as some of the books I've been reading have scores of them. The big one though is "3'rd Era Timeline" or something like that. Anyway the title page has "Last year of the First Era" on it, and I can't really make sense of that, like someone copied and pasted the wrong thing.

I'm not in the position to complain though, as the rebirth of the Aldmeri Dominion and the passive way it's described through off comments and proper lore digs in books really made me happy (despite the fact that I'm a proud Cyrodiilic patriot, and it broke my heart to hear that Shor worship was outlawed DAMN DIRTY ELVES). The Wheel turns and history repeats itself.

Does anyone else think that TES V constitutes the 8'th Fight of the Aldudagga?

Shor's been banned, too? I thought it was just Talos.

Talos is Shor.

Shor = Lorkhan (The Missing God)

When Tiber Septim ascended, he filled the hole left by Lorkhan.

Yes. But if Shor is banned, then Nords would be cut down for talking about Sovngarde. Talos is Shor, yes, but most people don't know that.

The book, Life of Nirn (or something like that), confirms what many of us noted about how races view Nirn
1) Prison to destroy - Mer
2) Prison to leave - Likely a reference to Yokudans, and possibly the dwemer
3) The way out of the Prison - Men

I don't post as much as most of the other lore forum guys and girls here, but I felt for some reason I had to add my two cents to this.


Simply put, Skyrim feels like coming home again. It feels like I'm walking back into, and rediscovering the world that I fell in love with in Redguard and Morrowind, instead of the aberrant system shock that was Oblivion. And after playing it for...far more than is likely healthy (and having barely scratched the surface), I simply must say that this game is, as Lady Neravar said, perhaps the first "true" TES game in the sense of paying attention to all the metaphysics we think about and talk about here on the Lore forum. Redguard started the feel of the universe and defined it, Morrowind expanded on it, and this seems to have embraced all of the obscurity that we love.


Furthermore, the attention to detail and sense of place is astounding. The callbacks to other games, and other provinces, and the history and politics... Oblivion felt strangely insular, like Cyrodiil was all that there was in the Empire; and this feels the exact opposite. This game is PACKED TO THE BRIM with lore, almost as if it's trying to make up for the decade of almost nothing new that we endured.

I think this game should give us enough material to keep this forum running for another decade or more. :tes:

I agree with the sentiment. I was never as down on Oblivion as some, but it definitely lacked the depth and breadth and complexity of Morrowind. So far, Skyrim is awesome.

My first character is, like myself, a scholar of history and lore. He traveled to Skyrim, like I went to Rome, in order to see the ancient things from his books. He knew history would come alive...

I didn't think Oblivion was a BAD game like some, but I always felt that it felt a little misplaced as far as atmosphere when compared to Redguard and Morrowind. I've always said that it's really kind of like Arena, Daggerfall, Oblivion, and perhaps Battlespire were like one interpretation of TES, and Redguard, Morrowind, and Skyrim being another. I just happen to think one is far more interesting.

Don't you all see? Nirn is mythaeopic. Beliefs and stories create the physical world of Nirn. Since we're the believers and storytellers, Nirn shaped itself to what we said it was. Or, at least the lore did. And it didn't really shape itself as the developers just cleverly referenced the forums. Alas.

Quick question to anyone who's gotten farther into the game:

Does anyone refer to Thu'um by name, or is it just called the Voice/Dragon Shouts?

They say "Thu'um" a lot.

Someone in Markarth, I think, mentioned thu'um. Might have been a bard, I don't remember. They were referring to what Ulfric allegedly did to the High King. I have not yet started the main quest.

It's been edited, but yeah, that guy in Whiterun made my day and he never shuts up either.

I have to go play some more Skyrim. I'm a little concerned about people who should know better referring to Akatosh (if you've gotten the Fire Breath shout you know what I'm talking about) but I have faith in the other lore based on what I've seen. I guess this is what Michael Kirkbride meant when he said that the lore is in good hands: they gave him money so they could put it in the game.