Hip-firing accuracy this, hip-firing accuracy that!

Yeah, Bethesda, I guess Nate and Nora's nipbles is what they use to see with. I can't find the holes in the Vault Suit though, so what the hell? Seriously, if you're hip-firing a weapon, you barely see the weapon in front of you. Because it's NOT in front of you, it's downstairs together with your Hockey Codpiece. Your Synth-reformed Curie penetrator.

What you're doing in all FPS games, including the Fallout games, is obviously "shoulder-firing". Learn it, live it, love it, hoorah!
Seriously, good luck firing a .50 caliber Sniper Rifle from your hip. Go on and try that, and I'll stand right here watching you do it and laugh when your arm goes *click*. No wonder this game is rated M for Mature, cause kids could get seriously injured. Did you ever stop to think about the kids, Bethesda. Yeah, I'm talking to you, Pete Hines! The kids, man... *sigh*

Long live the ridiculous game definitions of real life concepts and weapon etiquette.

/rant

Did you really make a thread to [censored] about semantics?

Do you feel better now?

Valid complaint that I have thought of as well.

LOL? I'm confused..

Hip Firing/Shooting From The Hip have been English idioms for a long, long time. Beth didn't invent them.

Yes, as you can see, he did. So what's the problem? He makes a great point.

The point that he doesn't get the reference?

DONT TELL BETH WHAT TO DO!!

Hip fire means not firing Aiming Down the Sights (ADS),

This, hip firing is not holding machine gun or shotgun to your shoulder. This reduces accuracy a lot.

Yes its a few other ways to hold some guns but hip fire is the most accurate I see.

"Shooting from the hip" is a colloquialism that isn't necessarily taken to mean literally shooting from "the hip." Sorry to hear that you're so bothered by this.

Ok guys, let me explain something:

First off, there's three common ways to fire a weapon - hip-fire, shoulder-fire and aiming (either with scope or sights). When you hip-fire a weapon, you literally fire the wepon from a position of an L-shaped firing arm. When you fire a weapon from this posiution, you literally can't see your weapon if you look straight forward. It's too low.

The way weapons are "hip-fired" in games is equivalent to how soldiers (including myself, some years ago) keep the stock tight to the shoulder and then raise the barrel for a quick shot. This is called "shoulder-firing" and, whenever you fire a weapon like this, it looks exactly like the "hip-firing" in games. That my whole point!

Secondly, you guys didn't realize this thread was overly whiney just for the satire of it? Poe's Law, I guess. My bad.

Yes, but my point is that hip-firing is nothing like you see it in computer games. Look at this video and then try to envision how much of the weapon this guy is able to see when he's looking directly forward (not looking down):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spEwDdqdvr8

Considering the extent of how far people can go with their complaints, its hard to tell what is being satirical or not on these forums.

Dunno if it hurts so bad

Apparently so.

Actually, I'd prefer to refer to unaimed firing as 'instinctive firing'...

That's the terminology the Australian army uses, and it doesn't matter whether it's from the hip, or shoulder...if you aren't looking through the sights, it's instinctive.

Me and my arthritis are particularly offended by the term.


You'll have to excuse us, our fanboyism clouds our reading comprehension.

"Hip fire" is just the term for it, something to learn to live with even if it doesn't really make exact sense to you OP.

Yes but Bethesda aren't making games for ex or serving military, they are making it for people who have heard the term "hip fire" but not heard the term "shoulder fire"l this should be obvious seeing as you had to make this post explaining what shoulder firing was when almost every other person on the forum told you that "hip fire" was the correct term. It really isn't important that then proper term isn't used, what matters is that the message is conveyed correctly to the audience. In this case, people understand that "hip fire" involves not aiming down the sights, so that is the term used, correctly or incorrectly.

Like some people said, it's just an expression.

Hip firing should be named to; "Get it off me! get it off!!"

I think the general term is "Point Shooting", made popular before and during WWII by Fairbairn and Sykes for the British Army (or Special Forces) and Rex Applegate für the US Army and the OSS. It was of course in use for a far longer time before, f.e. used by some gunfighters in the "Wild West". You can do Point Shooting from the hip or from the shoulder, it's an instictive shooting using body muscle memory to hit without looking over the sights because looking over the sights is slower. Point Shooting is a very valid kind of shooting especially at lower distances. Hip shooting is the most difficult and the TS is right, what we see in the game is not hip shooting. Nevertheless it's not a reason to get upset on both sides.

There are plenty of widely misused terms. "Hacker" is one of the most prominent ones. You can't fight the masses of simpletons who think using correct language is somehow elitist, "uncool", or even undesirable. At least "hip-firing" is actually applicable to some games!

You're damn right it should!

Or the pretentiousness of people who get all hung up on this kind of stuff