Theres nothing skillfull about 1shoting most enemies with an end game crafted sword on master difficulty. Which is what can be achieved. Magic is underpowered so reason dictates that because of this, it takes MORE skill to kill enemies with magic. By the way, calling people who use magic users "amateurs" is not very polite. Would be like me calling you a "sword weilding meat-head who needs to learn to read and write".

Just because you think you're better than everyone else because you're a mage, doesn't mean s*** to me and the majority.
You think because I dislike Magic, I'm a FPS Halo devoted fan?
You need to learn something, magic is what the amateurs of the gaming world use most.

Man up, use a sword if you want a real challenge. I go head to head against dragons with a two handed axe. That's hard.
I can easily kill a dragon using a spark spell hiding in a little watch tower.

If anything, you're the halo gamer, standing back replacing the gun with a spell and just spamming it.
Oblivion gave you mage's an easy ride, now when it's the same level as melee and range, you complain because you're good enough to play the game without OP magic.

You have just irrevocably lost the discussion.

You have explained that you hate magic, and think its for 'wimps'.
Therefore, your arguments as to why a broken and underpowered magic system is just fine are irrelevant.

Better luck next time.

I agree with Merari. And only liitle girls use swords. (Sorry could'nt resist) :biggrin:

Magic is for wimps. Oblivion created an environment where spamming spells is how you did everything.
Sorry, but if you think Magic is under powered then you don't know just how OP magic was compared to everything in Oblivion.

Get real.

Magic is underpowered. And accusing people of being wimps for using magic in a fantasy game whose marketing slogan was play how you want will not when you arguments.

I'm having horrible flashbacks of my time playing WoW. This is a rough translation using WoW lingo:



Why do you care if magic is under/overpowered? You don't play mages, so it won't affect you in any way. Besides, melee is grossly overpowered in this game (1-hit kills are common). I guess that would make you a wimp by your own logic?

Thanks for the laugh. XD

yeah except the game does only take the spamming of fireball. My mage is level 38 on master difficulty with 100 destruction100 alteration 78 restoration 61 conjuration and i cant level up anymore because if i try to fight anyone using a fireball in one hand and use wards in the other to gain restoration so i can level up i get assraqed. BUT the second i switch to two hands with a fireball, i just spam it at anyone and kill them without giving them a chance to attack making the game way to easy and pointless because i gain nothing towards a level up.

That is nowhere near hard. 5-6 power attacks (much less if you are an Orc) and the dragon is dead, and I haven't even used Smithing or Enchanting on a really overpowered weapon or armour yet. It's only hard if you are an imbecile who can't avoid the Dragon's melee attacks.

Yeah, OWOD is over, NWOD mage is here to stay... oh, different Mage.

That doesn't sound like a good excuse. Even that Khajiit student says he left Cyrodiil College because mages there were more concerned about politics than magic so he came to Winterhold to learn from the best.

So Skyrim melee (espcially with smithing and enchants) are the equivalent of OB Magic.
Skyrim Bows are the equivalent of OB Melee.
And Skyrim Magic (especially later game) are, almost but not quite, the equivalent of OB Bows and arrows (doable, but it takes a while. You can stand on a rock and spam it).

Got it. Now that you have overpowered melee I don't see how it takes any skill on the players part. I guess in TES VI you will be saying "amatuers use melee because it was so OP in Skyrim. I use rock, paper, scissors to defeat my foes"

Sorry, if you wanted to have a discussion of magic in Skyrim, which I thought maybe you were driving at with you post, you took an ineffective and condescending wrong turn. Now you are headed the wrong way on a one way street and all you will get are shouts from the angry drivers going the "right" way.

Hehe. Here, have a fishy stick.

Nords don't like magic, and this is Skyrim, so magic should not be as important.

Using that logic...

In Morrowind the dark elves distrust anyone who is not a dark elf, yet the game still lets you play as a Nord and people still let you get into positions of power... they show no real hatred of you(well except that one group). Actually the game gives no you advantage if you do play a dark elf, everyone still distrusts you because you came on a boat(how do they know outside of seyda neen?), and the commona tong still hate you as well. Using this logic the strength of all spells in Morrowind should decrease the second you set foot in Solstiem.

The khajit note about Whiterun earlier.

Fact is that the game being about Nords should have 0 effect on magic besides half the enemies in the game being resistant to frost... which they basically are. A fireball is a fireball... whether it is in Morrowind, Cyrodil, or Skrim. And with the exception of a decrease in the number of spells and not being able to make new spells the big problem in Skyrim is destruction being to weak.


And melee makes the game super easy. I replaced my pure mage with a mage that replaced destruction for one hand. Suddenly the game is a whole lot easier, still use conjuration but 99% of the time all my conjuration does is distract my enemies, I do 99% of the damage and kills with my blade. For the sake of still imagining I'm a mage I carry around a staff of fireball, but other than killing animals it is not every useful.

Now yes it is possible to run a pure mage even on higher levels if you enchant 100% reduction in spell cost... of course with the exact same enchantments in one hand or two hand you would be doing 260% base damage... and that is not even figuring in smithing or perks. At level 50 100% cost in spells does nothing because your damage is not increasing.

The anologies being provided are unnecessary. The excuse that lore prohibited a powerful magic system was a red herring from the get-go. I can't wait for January, all these problems will vanish as quickly as the CK appears.

So people who love to play as a mage should not buy skyrim is what you are saying, how idiotic. If you don't like to play as a mage and therefore don't care that its a broken system, why even bother to post on it other than to start a flamewar?

Makes no sense that my Destruction skill can be 60+, my One-handed <30 yet I dominate as a melee character, yet svck as a magic wielder........with my mage build. It's just wrong that I need 30+ magical hits, but 2-3 physical hits, considering the numbers above...again....I rolled a mage not a [censored] warrior so why is he a better warrior in battle? I'll yet ya, magic is broken.

Nothing anyone says will change that. A mage should be just as viable as a melee character. Not OP, but just as viable. As it stands, they are not. Melee pawns magic, plain and simple, and not for the reasoning the OP has suggested. It was simply badly implemented.

Looking forward to the CK so much. Then there will be just us few to tell others what Skyrim was like "in the before time".

Do some research, this is an RPG where Todd himself said you can play what you want. I want to play a mage, it's extremely difficult to play one.

I will continue to let Todd and his team know where they screwed up.

The OP...

The Nords have a prejudice towards magic yes that does not mean it does not exist in this province. It exist and should have as many options in past titles, just because we are in Skyrim does not mean magicka should have less and that schools of magic be almost useless. I play as a mage or warrior with magic support I choose to play the game this way. I should not be limited to scant options interms of the magic system in this game, but us spell users are limited.

Also you should research TES series lore on magicka.

Where does it say in-game that location changes magical power? And explain how using an axe and wailng on something till it dies require skill in this game. And why should I worry about being a wimp in a video game? Being brave in a fictional enviorment means absolutely nothing.

don't be silly. Make yourself a favor, think your arguments!

4/10. you got quite a few people, though.

If that's how you won as a mage, then shouldn't you be saying jumping was overpowered, not magic? I didn't even know you could get on top of walls in the Arena.

It wouldn't be a good idea to balance magic based on the assumption that mages are going to hide on top of rocks and spam fireballs. That would just lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy where mages have to climb on top of rocks and spam fireballs to survive. :shrug: