I wouldn't say ALL of Skyrim.

Think of Galmar's speech before invading Whiterun, or Ulfric's speech before the final assault on Solitude.

They don't speak of a concern with Skyrim's people in general, but specifically focus on the Nords.

Brunwulf wasn't wrong when he said other races come second in Ulfric's mind.

I won't deny that Elisif is a clueless leader, but a High King that doesn't care for all citizens equally isn't what a nation needs either.

And history is written by the victors, which is why I do not see a point and saying "Ulfric is right in killing Torygg" or "Ulfric is a traitor, pure and Simple" HE committed treason in the eyes of the Empire. I do not see it that way, just that by Old Nordic Law, his killing of Torygg gave HIM a Direct Shot at becoming High King, Not Skyrim becoming High King. I understand the contradictions behind it, but the issue is that Ingmund has other to add to his, the duel and the witness do not prove he is kind-hearted and purely helping Skyrim by doing so, just that there was a duel.

I don't remember what they said at the respective time that well. Care to share?

That literally says and does nothing about the point I made, which is Ulfric isn't doing this for selfish reasons.

And you are taking the hopelessly one-sided approach to this. Again. I've lost count how many times I have pointed this out, but I'll do it again in hopes that someone is paying attention, though my hopes aren't exactly high for that.

Saying that Ulfric is entirely selfish and greedy or that he is only a selfless hero are both positions that completely ignore a the information that disagrees with it. Has it ever occurred to people that humans tend to be less one-dimensional in their motivations than that, and that both these viewpoints of Ulfric exists among the NPCs because they are both likely true to an extent?

Ulfric has the past of someone who is clearly interested in the fate of his country and countrymen. If he just wanted power, he should have stayed a Greybeard since they are revered throughout most of Skyrim and are very powerful individuals because of their Thu'um. Instead he gave that up and joined the Legion to fight the Dominion. After that, when the Empire took actions that he and many others saw as, mildly put, harmful to Skyrim and the Empire, he chooses to oppose it.

Basically, a lack of faith in the Empire, being betrayed by the Empire, a desire for the throne and a love of his country. Seems to be a fair and accurate representation of his motives.

I admit, I worded that hastily. All of Skyrim doesn't benefit, as homes and lives are obviously lost in the war. Imp supporters also aren't gonna be happy (as I said), but Skyrim as a whole benefits from Ulfric's actions.

Race has nothing to do with Ulfric's treatment of anyone. How useful they are however, does.

He is helping Skyrim but I see greed, power-hunger and wanting revenge there too. He is interested in the fate of Skyrim, but I see that he wants to direct it, and will not allow Elisif or another Jarl to do so.

But let's just agree, you have your viewpoints, and I have a Viewpoint that my choices in-game has little impact on the next game unless they release a save transfer like Bioware does.

You remind me of the venerable dark colored Mers of Windhelm

Please, for the love of Kyne, do try to put some effort into actually reading and understanding the post.

Well, the last time he did, we can see how Thalmor fares

? What in the world does he say or do to show greed? Power hunger, yes, but so what? Why is this a bad thing if the want of power is for a good cause? You desire power to stop Alduin in the MQ. Is the Dovahkiin a greedy bastard because of this? And why would he let his enemies do anything when they clearly dont wish to, hence why they are with the Empire?

It's gonna be lenghty. But read carefully in order to anolyse it.

Galmar Stone-Fist in Battle for Whiterun:

""This is it men! They say that our cause is false and that we are nothing more than thieves, thugs and murderers! But no! We are farmers! We are craftsmen! We are sons and daughters of shopkeepers, maid servants and soldiers! We are the sons and daughters of Skyrim!

And we have come this far because our cause is true. Because we fight as one. And because our hearts are bursting with anger! What we do here today, we do for our country! For all the true Nords of Skyrim! Whiterun's walls are tall, but they are old and crumbling, like the Empire whose Legion lines them.

They've barricades to block us, but we'll tear through them and the Imperials behind them! Our objective is the drawbridge. If we can find a way to drop it, the city will be ours! Everyone on me. Let's show these Imperial milk drinkers what true Nords look like! "

Ulfric Stormcloak in The Battle for Solitude: "This is it men! It's time to make this city ours! We come to this moment carried by the sacrifices and the courage of our fellows. Those who have fallen. And those still bearing the shields to our right.

On this day, our enemy will know the fullness of our determination, the true depth of our anger, and the exalted righteousness of our cause. The gods are watching. The spirits of our ancestors are stirring. And the men under suns yet to dawn will be transformed by what we do here today. Fear neither pain, nor darkness. For Sovngarde awaits those who die with weapons in their hands, and courage in their hearts.

We now fight our way to Castle Dour to cut the head off the legion itself! And in that moment, the gods will look down and see Skyrim as she was meant to be. Full of Nords who are mighty, powerful, and free! Ready now! Everyone, with me! For the sons and daughters of Skyrim!"

ULFRIC HAS TO BE FARE SIMPLY BECAUSE HIS ACTIONS DICTATE A SELFLESS MAN!

/sarcasm.

This is my own opinion, but I can't help how wrong it feels to have Stormcloaks in former Imperial supported holds.

It doesn't feel right where as it feels you did a good thing when holds are in Imperial control.

I feel "glad" (no better word for it) when I hear the Dunmer and Argonian population feel a sense of hope when the Legion takes control of Windhelm. I don't get that sense from the Stormcloaks. The reactions from the citizens when the SC take a city make them (SC) look like a bunch of thugs.

Once again, my opinion.

You do not have to do something that shows greed to be greedy. IT is how I see it. You do not agree, fine, but do not say I am wrong on my opinion of how I see the actions.

How does that make him selfish? He wants to direct it because nobody else is fit for the job. He wants what's best for Skyrim and he k ows that he's it.

Like the farmer guy? Yeah, I like him.

Show me a piece of dialogue from him that shows anything but. I'll wait.

I'm at a loss of words here. Is it really that hard to miss the points I now will make stand out a little more in the post I made?

? Ok, I think Ghandi was greedy. According to you thats ok because you dont actually have to show greed to be greedy. You all heard it here, folks. Guilty until proven innocent, and even then, still guilty.

To the bold, I admit, there are both, but there is also an issue of him being selfish as well as wanting to help skyrim, which is a matter of opinion.

How. What does he do that is selfish?

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Few people in our world gain success by being a saint let alone Tamriel.

I would rather have Skyrim split into nine provinces. but that is just me.

He frees a nation for his people and becomes king in the process... SELFISH BASTARD!

A man builds a house for a family and gets paid to do it... SELFISH BASTARD!

No, there is no such thing as "good greed" and he doesnt do this to make himself feel good or whatever you are saying. Nothing points to this. And if it was "good greed", why do you mark it as a negative? Ulfric already looked good to his people's eyes. He's a war hero.