Lol, that's what he does to dodge a question. But you knew that

Then stop debating it. That is the only way you're going to do anything to even go near the goal you apparently have, because now you are essentially whining about people on the forums have other interests in what topics they want to participate in than what you do. No one is forcing you to participate. If you don't want to see Civil War threads, too bad. Other people seem to enjoy them, for one reason or anther.

According to....

And if this was true, thats fine, since he'd gain all of Skyrim's...and an economy benefits from a country prepping for war as history has shown.

And Ulfric has clearly shown he's a good leader.

I know, but I wasn't questioning the Empire's political skill (even if I do think it's poor as of this era). This is the only political move Ulfric has made other than starting the war, and it was a good one. The main purpose of that post was the first part, which didn't work anyway.

May I also remind you that the number 1 Wimperial supporter in Windhelm even admits that Ulfric is a good leader. The one who replaces him as Jarl if the Wimps win.

For a guy who whines about selfishness, you're pretty selfish, bro.

Then again, I guess we hate in others what we hate in ourselves.

Based on information taken from after the Stormcloaks are defeated. I'm sorry, but this is not enough to establish that Ulfric has run his hold into economic ruin in any other case than an Imperial victory.

You probably need to use Time Travel Shout "De- Lo- Rean" and become a law consultant to the ancient Nords, because they made that law possible.

Ulfric saw opportunity, and since the brat isn't going to do anytime soon (he has a brand new bride to jmpress), Ulfric utilized his brains

That was more of a tactical move, just like the "I can't be High King yet" part in his final speech.

But he might not be High King unless they establish that both sides are canon (DragonBreak) or make the Stormcloaks canon, invalidating the Imperial supporters choice to support the Empire.

Uh, diplomacy is all about tactics. Duh?

For once I agree with you on the bold.

Bygones?

And that doesn't matter, as his coffers being empty or whatever happens after a loss, but we are discussing if he wins. So your point is moot.

If he wins he spends some years rebuilding Skyrim, with all of Skyrim at his hand. The mines, the trees, the few sparse farms, all of it.

and so is the point of him winning...

even the superheroes of comics are like Ulfric in a way...

The dirty kind is what I meant.

You've only mentioned half the description. He tells you Ulfric is a good leader for his own kind but that's it.

A country needs to be ruled by someone who looks after all who inhabit it, not just the native citizens.

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How exactly? Because you say so? Because you think that everyone will unite and hold hands? There are other reasons why we want an independent Skyrim. Even if they all do unite against the thalmor like I think, there is still the issues afterwards. The Imperial policy to their provinces doesn't go away, and Imperialism is still an issue.

We are arguing in favor of the benefits of a hypothetical Stormcloak victory, not that a Stormcloak victory is canon.

Kind of what I meant. IT is moot because right now that is all it is, hypothesis.

I mentioned half because only half was relevant. And he cares for citizens who are useful. If he only cared for nords, why are there only homeless nords in windhelm? Sophia doesn't get room and board. What about that nord woman? I bet she'd kill to be in the grey quarter.

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Guys, I'm losing it. This man is like Menendez: relentless in trolling.

1) There's nothing in the game hinting that Ulfric is any worse to other races.

2) What you suggest isn't an option the Empire offers. They don't look after the people of Skyrim at all. Only the parts that benefit them.

Always has been.