When I had my head on the block, staring at the unfortunately brave volunteer who came before me, that did not quite cut-the-mustard.

No, in the situation of having to choose between two options, I think one (Stormcloaks) is definitely portrayed more favourably than the other!

Generally, I like the Legion characters better, Rikke and Brina especially - I even like Tullius - Ralof and Vignar being notable exceptions, but I just find that justifying the Legion for my Nord character takes a lot of work.

May Auri-El's warmth imbue your body with strength.

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Probably because he hasn't had a chance to demonstrate? Although he was smart enough to leave elisif in power at the end so theres that.

They dont need to invade, just push them off land, and this question is irrelevant, because no matter who wins, all man races will be involved, count on it. Also, I'm not seeing this so called ravaged Skyrim everyone else is seeing. I get the game representation is poor, but there's not even really any mention of this, either. The dragonborn stops the war early before this happens, no matter when you enter since its on pause until you do.

Absolutely.

Also to the question of the Butterscotch elf navy, while I assume it is strong, I think people are assuming they have a navy full of Sunbirds when there's no evidence of this now at all, and they would have used them in the great war, but they didn't. They used regular ships.

I believe the Stormcloaks can withstand an invasion from the Dominion, as for the Stormcloaks trying to invade the Dominion itself... that is another story. Then again the Empire wouldn't fair better in that regard either.

Well Redguard pirates made the coasts of Alinor under the First Dominion a living hell during the Second Era. That being said they did have cannons but I guess the Nords could probably hire them regardless.

Their first intentions were not to invade, it was only acted upon when they realized how unprepared the Imperial Legion was.

Both scenarios are not logical to bring in your best weapons now is it? I imagine the sunbirds are purely for defense, as they originate on the Isles exclusively. So they may not even be capable of offensive pursuits with them.

They're constantly talking about how Dragons are burning villages and crops. In-game, we see them occasionally attack walled cities too.

But nothing from the war. We hear them attacking occasional villages and such. Nothing to suggest Skyrim is "ravaged". As for the sunbirds, thats possible, but that wont help them in the dominion, just Alinor.

Yup. Skyrim isn't ravaged at all.

All I see is him being a warrior and general, not a high king. I see the High King as a more political position, not a military position.

Maybe because playing a nord, they basically force the idea into your head? The Idea that you got caught at the wrong time, and ended up in the wrong place with the wrong captain (it was not the legion that wanted you dead, just one stupid captain who likely died either way) is actually a legitimate excuse for the legion.

Skyrim may not be ravaged, but that is a gameplay, and not lore (learn to separate lore and gameplay). Besides, I think the Civil War will not be discussed in the next game, so it does not matter in this game.

It is both, and that ending shows he not only can do both, but knows nord politics, as does his dealing with Torygg. And you see him mainly being a warrior and general because he's...in a war.

I have separated lore and gameplay. No cities are attacked besides Helgen (by a dragon), Solitude (by the Stormcloaks), Windhelm (by the Empire), and Whiterun (by the Stormcloaks).

That's a fact. There is no lore anywhere that says or will say other cities were hit.

What? Going near-treason when arguing for independent, then Killing the guy when Torygg did nothing because Skyrim was in an okay place, except for the morons who are too proud of Talos to let him go for a few years?

He may know Nord politics, but being High King is more than Nord politics. You also have to be able to NEGOTIATE with the other provinces (which I cannot see, so that is a problem).

Was I talking about the cities? I think there is more to the lore and economy of provinces than cities. and there is the issue of people whose loved ones lost their lives, and that is also a problem when it comes to the lore (as in How big are the armies and how large is skyrim really?)

again, this "civil war" MATTERS NOT, as lore will not even get into who wins or loses. IT will end up with Humanity uniting to fight the Thalmor and no mention of Skyrim will show up.

It may not be "completely ravaged" but skyrim is not at what it was before the civil war and dragons. Wars also cost money and resources.

Way to blow things out of proportion with blind bias.

Dragons attacking and a civil war. And everything's dandy? Seems legit!

I think what you mean to say is trapping the imperial puppet in a situation he cant get out of to start the first steps of freeing Skyrim from those who would prosttute it to butterscotch elves. Ok place my eye. Too proud? How am I too proud for not wanting to give up my religion? What kind of nonsense is that? And actually no, being High King is ALL nord politics...when you're free from the Empire

Nothing they can't regain with a bit of time. This war was ended lorewise within a year. That's nothing.

Tullius and Ulfric don't seem particularly alarmed by the Dragons until you tell Ulfric Alduin is behind it. Lore says the dragons aren't much of a problem.

Sorry, bro.

lol, blind bias.

OR I could mean using his own martial skills to claim something that wasn't his.

Indeed, minor annoyance at best.

Uh, wah? That's war.

You know, besides the constant dialogue referring to the growing Dragon menace. A city can survive a Dragon attack, but it's still going to result in guards being killed.

Morrowind goes to complete hell(Red year and Argonian invasion) after saving the day.

Cyrodiil goes to complete hell(Oblivion crisis repercussions, loss of stability, and Thalmor invasion) after saving the day.

I'm sure Skyrim will be fine, yep.

A few guards being killed does not a ravaged city make. Both cw sides treat it as a military equivalent of a mosquito bite.

A mosquito bite?

Tullius mentions losing entire battalions, and having their re-supply routes destroyed.

The war was not even the problem it was UNTIL Ulfric Killed Torygg. In MY mind, Ulfric's "duel" was all about Ulfric.

-In Ulfric's head-

1) Kill torygg to prove that I was better than him.

2) Start the Civil War becaus the Empire left ME to the wolves.

3) Replace the other Jarls becaus the ones that support the empire will not support ME.

And yet he has to be convinced to meet with Ulfric. He doesn't see them as that dangerous unless he's an incompetent leader. Take your pick. Are the dragons harassing Skyrim badly or is Tullius a moron?

Meanwhile, Ulfric will jump the second he hears Alduin's name.