Stormcloak vs Imperial

Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:55 pm

Doubtful are you? I invite you to my sanctuary of Valthume. We shall speak in person. Though I must warn you of a malevolent spirit that calls itself Valdar. You will pay no heed to it!

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Mackenzie
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:35 pm

Such is the game of thrones.

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Red Sauce
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:31 am

There is also the Ulfric vs Torygg duel debate.

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Tamika Jett
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:01 am

I will gladly come to break words!

Couldn't agree more. You win or you die. :D

Really? That somehow got away from me.

Divines save us, 6th page already. XD

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Natalie Taylor
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:18 am

Kill the Elves... especially Dunmer.
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Destinyscharm
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:28 am

There is also a a debate about the execution in Helgen.

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Olga Xx
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:20 pm

Yeah, grab that Ysgramors Axe and get to action. :D

But dunmmers are fine to me, I just want to wipe Thalmors.

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IsAiah AkA figgy
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:42 pm

5 years from now in a TESVI forum

Setting: Hammerfell.

FOREBEARS ARE THE BEST!

NAH BRO CROWNS FTW!

the Civil war threads continue...

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lacy lake
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:04 pm

Na, they're corrupt evil dikes. I admire their efficiency if nothing else I suppose. But no I don't like them.

:shakehead: So its ok with her but not the silver-bloods because she gets things done?

Are they not so bad too?

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Zualett
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:45 pm

The Stormcloak rebellion is a Thalmor tool. An Imperial victory in the Civil War is what the Thalmor , by their own assessment, say would "harm" their "overall position in Skyrim."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak

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Daramis McGee
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:43 am

You never quit, do you? :happy:

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Jeffrey Lawson
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:29 am

Yeah, I bet that next TES game will be in Hammerfel, I first tought that that will be DLC, part of Hammerfell, and end of the civil war, I mean the corronation of the High King/Queen mostly beacuse of that Bethesda's trademark ''Redguard'' but I gues that ship has sailed. Tough I think it will be more like 2nd Great War, rather then continuation of CW.

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Bethany Short
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:26 am

Well I guess the Thalmor didn't expect their "tool" to completely kick them out of Skyrim if they win.

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Blessed DIVA
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:30 pm

That is what I am talking whole the time, but nobody listen. :D

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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:50 pm

Maybe not, but did weakened the Empire a lot.

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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:46 pm

How in the world do people so conveniently miss the part where it says that the stormcloak victory is also to be avoided? They want the war to continue. A stormcloak victory disrupts their activity in Skyrim as well. Moreso as its an immediate death sentence for the thalmor in Skyrim. The Stormcloak rebellion is a thalmor tool? Then what do you call the idiots letting them in Skyrim in the first place and also fighting the war? THEY BOTH are being used.

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JERMAINE VIDAURRI
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:33 pm

Then the question is, do people care about the Empire?

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Jerry Cox
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:59 am

As a meat shield for Skyrim. Thats about it. Personally I hope they collapse into a kingdom. You dont need an Empire to fight the Dominion. There are alliances.

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Dj Matty P
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:39 am

Uh no? Bottom of lake whatever.

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Lauren Graves
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:23 pm

I know they benefit as long as civil war continue,but Stormcloacks can't stand an invasion of the Dominion alone, neither to wipe them out.. so they need united Empire that is one that to kick that damm elves back their cursed isles..

If they don't and evevery one stand on their own, the Dominion is going to eliminate them one by one.

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Lynne Hinton
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:20 pm

You realize that nations could just team up and ruin alinor, yes?

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Arnold Wet
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:20 pm

Au contraire mon frere:

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The “Skyrim cannot survive alone”-argument



This one is one of the simpler arguments to debunk, because any high school dropout can look at the map and see how silly this argument is. Here. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/918987149705159097/C22C10AE7A645DE484D4521251914E3138836D83/&imgrefurl=http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id%3D91249786&h=1202&w=1861&sz=93&tbnid=nBGo07R-Omi71M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=139&zoom=1&usg=__7BIkCEpKVKwWqHJ0jtswf0XmBMU=&docid=Tpko8a8T0KYY3M&sa=X&ei=l3tIUd2vEIyy8AT6zYGwCQ&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAA&dur=1510

Lets look at the two ways a military force can invade a territory. The first possibility is by Land. If the Thalmor were to attempt this, they'd need to go through either Morrowind (not allies of the Thalmor, and never have been, plus Argonians occupy part of it and are fighting the Dark Elves) or Hammerfell (obviously hostile to the Dominion) or through Cyrodiil. Now many say that there's the solution. The Thalmor have a treaty with the Empire, and they are allowed through Cyrodiil and Skyrim. Two things. One, the Justiciars are allowed, and two, whole armies are clearly not. How do I know this? Tullius himself says at the Empire is currently guarding it's border to watch for an attack from the Dominion. Think about that for a sec. If the Thalmor were allowed to walts in whenever they wanted, why the hell is the Empire wasting their time guarding their borders? It makes no sense. Clearly the deal of the Thalmor in their territory extends solely to Justiciars for hunting down "heretics" not their whole army.

Now look at Skyrim's natural barriers. Mountains. The worst kind. You cannot sustain an flow of troops and supplies through a mountain range. Not easily anyway. Couple that with the intense weather, and you have a complete supply chain disaster. Now, the Thalmor, assuming they actually did get through Cyrodiil in whatever fashion still would have trouble getting through even if they used the Pale Pass, due to it's treacherous reputation. Here's an example of how it caused trouble for Tullius during the Stormcloak rebellion:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pale_Pass#cite_note-4 In http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fourth_Era#4E_201, the Pale Pass was closed due to avalanches, preventing Imperial reinforcements from helping to secure Falkreath Hold under Imperial control during the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Stormcloak_Rebellion.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pale_Pass#cite_note-5http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pale_Pass#cite_note-6

In short, a land invasion is highly unlikely in the current situation. I didn't even talk about the obvious disadvantage of fighting in a cold climate that the Thalmor are not at all used to fighting in (their homeland is SUMMERSET ISLE for Talos's sake) against a people who are literally magically resistant to cold weather and magic.

Now lets look at what the Thalmor are actually good at. Naval invasion. The Thalmor are known to have the most advanced and powerful naval force in Tamriel. But even the most advanced naval ships cannot successfully invade without a safe port nearby to house reinforcements and supplies to sustain the attack. See how far away Summerset Isle is? It would be comically impractical to invade Skyrim from this far away, whether that be by land or sea. Even our real life history proves this fact to be true. The Thalmor can't set one on the coast of Skyrim to the North because one, they'd be under constant attack, and two, the Sea of Ghosts is as the name suggests extremely treacherous. They don't have any islands nearby to do this either. The only possibility they have is to anger the Dark Elves as well, and take one of those islands that are literally on the opposite side of Tamriel from Summerset Isle. Then they'd be fighting two nearby nations at the same time, and this time one of them is magically adept, and are as tough as the Nords are. So without a true safe port, this invasion tactic is even more unlikely to succeed.

This is why I personally laugh at those who say "without the Empire in Skyrim, the Stormcloaks are doomed." The Nords could literally sit back and gulp down some Black-Briar mead while the land does the fighting for them.

They have a better chance than anyone of defending themselves from the dominion. As for kicking them off to the isles, people act like the only way to fight together is an Empire. Alliances people. Been made since men had armies.

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And let me remind you that even if Skyrim stays, the Empire will STILL need to ally themselves with Hammerfell.

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Elizabeth Lysons
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:36 am

Yeah, I do, but isn't better to lay down weapons, and unite by one banner?

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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:22 am

Then why not fight as an Empire, defeat the Dominion, then peacefully grant each of its provinces independence and become allies with positive terms?
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Jeff Turner
 
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Post » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:51 pm

No. Tried that. Empire gave away Hammerfell and offered up its citizens for torture-murder to the enemy. It does not deserve taxes, respect, or service.

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