Stormcloak vs Imperial : V - Skyrim

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Thats what I mean. How long should they wait for the empire to attack the thalmor? Cause they've waited 30 so far.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:23 pm

The reason i don't trust Ulfric is this one..

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Status: Asset (uncooperative), Dormant, Emissary Level Approval
Description: Jarl of Windhelm, leader of Stormcloak rebellion, Imperial Legion veteran
Background: Ulfric first came to our attention during the First War Against the Empire, when he was taken as a prisoner of war during the campaign for the White-Gold Tower. Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.
Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed.

Read it carefuly.

So they consider him an asset, and only Thalmor benefit from CW, and If Imperials win ,their position in Skyrim is weakend. But Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, but they want to carefuly mange it. But stay out if the directly.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:43 am

From dialogue across many Stormcloaks (you guys), it seemed that the Empire was going to take action very soon. The first thing they would is suspend the WGC.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:18 pm

I support the stormcloaks. That is all

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:51 pm

She was too busy playing with Torygg's corpse...

She rather work with a milk-drinker's corpse than with me? A fine 5,000 year old priest of yore? She's intimidated and playing hard to get!

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:44 am

The empire is also acting as an asset. You really should look up what asset means.

And then they killed the guy advocating it. That doesn't instill confidence.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:32 am

14E 171 on the 30th of frostfall.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:10 pm

Wrong, they don't want to carefully manage a Stormcloak victory. It is very plain that what they do have to manage carefully is any support they chose to give to the Stormcloaks, so they don't get enough of an upperhand to drive out the Empire.

Also, I would like to remind people using this argument that if Ulfric is an asset to the Thalmor, under the definition of asset, so is the Empire because of the White-Gold Concordat. Letting their Justiciars walk about, arresting people for practically no reason(the Thalmor patrols have captured a man for suspecting that he has knowledge of a Cult of Talos. Talk about vague terms. This could be applied to everyone in the Empire, more or less) and then being allowed to torture them for information.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:40 pm

"The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact."

"As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim"

" A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed."

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:20 am

We have nothing more than some very vague dialogue from Tullius to support the Empire acting anytime soon, and that is from the man who expects to spend many years yet in Skyrim before going back to Cyrodiil.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:46 am

Thalmor supporter?

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:22 am

Hope not, he seems like a nice guy. XD

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:55 am

I hate the Thalmor.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:21 pm

Then why do you think they should wait 10 eras before deciding enough is enough? The thalmor will most certainly have acted by then.(And if you're saying that skyrim should have taken action in 4e171 then why did you fault them for doing so?)

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:51 am

:facepalm: This issue again?

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during the DB Quests, you find that the Emperor has already anticipated and accepted that he is going to die. How does this equate to him having no heir? What if he already chose on and just refuses to tell people?

this and

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a certain Dossier in a certain place on a certain Nord in the hands of a certain organization

Makes it somewhat clear that the Thalmor is not as in control of the Empire as they would have you all believe.

Still :tops: kudos to you all being so passionate.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:40 pm

I think it was more of a jab at the Empire's inaction, rather than a timeline for when he/she would have attacked.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:18 am

I was basically saying the Empire will take too long.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:02 pm

Then what's wrong with Skyrim trying to ensure that they don't?

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:36 am

Another reason for me supporting the Empire is a minor thing (I think).

I really don't like any of the Jarls that supper the SC.

What a terrible list really.

Korir, Hates Elves, doesn't like him. Surprised he has a Dunmer as a helper though.

Skald. Definitely one of the worst. Religious fanatic.

Thongvor. Really bad attitude. Also doesn't like Elves.

Sorli. Know nothing about her.

Dengeir. Doesn't trust people who would lay their lives down for him (Lod the blacksmith).

Vignar. Neutral I guess. Cranny old man.

Laila Law Giver. Doesn't have a clue.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:55 pm

Thalmor: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF THIS THREAD!

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:19 pm

So you rather have Maven Black Briar (aka possibly the worst person in Skyrim) and child-killing Igmund?

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:34 pm

These debates will continue for we allow it! And will end when you've all killed each other!

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:48 am

Not to mention the silver-bloods are probably the most unlikable people in the Reach.

Maven isn't all that bad and so is most definitely not the worst person, the silver-bloods are way worse then the blackbriars. At least Maven doesn't force her workers into slavery.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:33 am

Yet you claim they are "righteous" which can be translated into flawless, perfect, and holy. Try better word usage next time.

They way I look at it, both sides have their positive and negative apsects. Though if I had the option, I would stay neutral and just sit back and watch them squabble amongst themselves while the real threat is lurking and pulling the strings.

» Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:55 pm

Yeah, 4th page already. XD

I thnk whe should ask Sheogorath/Champion of Cyrodill/Hero of Kvatch, for some advice.