Stormcloaks and the Nordic Pantheon

Post » Tue May 08, 2012 10:56 am

I found it interesting how in Riften, Haelga practicing her "Dibellan arts" all over town was considered shameful.

I took that to mean, she was flaunting her secondary sixual characteristics. six and even prostitution had there religious aspects (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution) but I can imagine not everyone liked it.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:03 pm

would he alienate them by going hardcoe Ysgramor's companions animal-god-aspects?
These are only aspects. Gods have taken more than one aspect. This isn't hardcoe, it's a story of how man came to be. There's lots of them.

What we see is the Monomyth applied too rigorously. Artaeum's evangelism only magnified similarities, among the origin stories. The people of Tamriel, especially of the frozen north, should not unanimously be aware their gods are the "same," nor would reading the Monomyth sway so many. In true, fourth era Skyrim, World Eating 101 is common enough conversation, with a thirsty skald.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 8:46 am

Never mind.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:03 am

That confused the hell out of me. I wish someone could explain how that makes any sense.

Look at the people she sleeps with, a married man owner of one of the biggest companies there who at least fancies himself a support for the entire city. The stable-master who IIRC is also married and the one that runs the meadery. At least one of those would be very controversial, the other two are debatable. Still it shows that she actively goes around trying to get people to sleep with her, regardless of who they are... I can understand some people, mostly married woman would be upset about that.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:10 am

Riften's primary temple as one to Mara, who is big into marriage and all that. It's not quite to Daggerfall-levels, but the temples to the Divines have a bit of rivalry.

Hey, stop me if you've heard this one. A priestess of Mara and a priestess of Dibella walk into a bar...
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 11:30 am

Look at the people she sleeps with, a married man owner of one of the biggest companies there who at least fancies himself a support for the entire city. The stable-master who IIRC is also married and the one that runs the meadery. At least one of those would be very controversial, the other two are debatable. Still it shows that she actively goes around trying to get people to sleep with her, regardless of who they are... I can understand some people, mostly married woman would be upset about that.
And there's that her niece is a prude who doesn't like having to work for her keep. If she's so upset about how she's treated, why doesn't she leave? She's a grown woman.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 10:19 am

Even back in societies where gods like Venus were popular, that does not mean it was socially acceptable to have six with half the town. Or anyone who wasn't your husband. It was only "proper" for the sacred prosttutes. Not the daughter of a soldier, a shopkeeper, ect.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 6:28 am

Even back in societies where gods like Venus were popular, that does not mean it was socially acceptable to have six with half the town. Or anyone who wasn't your husband. It was only "proper" for the sacred prosttutes. Not the daughter of a soldier, a shopkeeper, ect.

If we are looking at, for instance, classical Rome, that is a matter of gender-issues and not sixual morality. Men were allowed to sleep with whoever they like, though sleeping with too many women was seen feminine and so to be frowned upon for that reason (the classical Athenians followed that piece of logic all the way through, as you probably know). As far as I can tell, TES mostly cuts the head of all dat sixism and doesn't include it in the mythos, which is thankful, really.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:55 pm

Well in the cultures we see in Tamriel there's really little-to-no point to sixism. Most cultures have goddesses that are on equal level with male gods of the same "social standing," to simplify the concept. It seems to be brought to the most visible in Skyrim, where a number of Jarls, Thanes and Housecarls are women, having a High Queen is not unusual, and there's a pretty even spread of guards and soldiers who are women outside the Legion, which has a woman for Legate, many of the super-manly Companions are women who seem to be of equal standing with the men. In the Empire, having a ruling Empress is not considered a strange thing. I think it's because people are too busy being racist to be sixist.

But back to the subject of the Nordic traditions, it seems to be like the Norseman as Europe was going Christian (NOTE: That is not to say that either Tamrielic religions are to be linked into the real-world ones as counterparts, this is only regarding their cultural interplay and not the details). The Norse faith began to take on Christian bits and bobs before many of its people became Christian themselves. The Nordic religion seems to have taken on many of their Imperial brethren's traditions and beliefs where they haven't simply converted, leaving only a few die-hards on the fringes of society.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:37 pm

Yes, yes. My point was that a six-god does not mean promiscuous six is good to that culture.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 11:30 am

Yes, yes. My point was that a six-god does not mean promiscuous six is good to that culture.
I know. Mine was the interesting lack of overt sixism in these cultures that I had hitherto not noticed. I like how these lore forum discussions can branch off so wide.
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