I award you a single GTFO for your obvious fanboyism.

As I said in previous threads majority doesn't even know the developer of the games they play let alone going to post on their forum saying such. Just because the "majority" doesn't say anything doesn't mean the issues do not exist. Minority no matter what kind of thing it is in the world is what makes thing change.

Well said.



But whether or not it gets a GOTY should be based on the minority that isn't happy?

Or do you have proof the majority isn't happy and would disagree with the GOTY tag?

Or weren't you commenting on studio/GOTY awards at all?

And a minority might make things change. There is a lot of good minorities out there fighting good fights. There are also some bad ones who shouldn't be let change anything except their clothes.

Who were the other nominees?

I don't want to belittle your experience, so please don't take what I am about to say in that way.

But I have played for nearly 300 hours with 1 character without finding any gamebreaking bugs. I have a couple of small glitches such as when I turn in a bounty to Skald, the quest doesn't clear from my journal so I now have a few "return to Skald for payment" lines in my misc objectives despite having been paid for them already - but that's a minor glitch, not a gamebreaking bug.

This forum has really gone downhill. It is sad to see the state of mankind like this. Even gamespots system wars is better than the stuff I see here every day.

ok to play along with you

do you have proof they are happy and its working for everyone?

kinda pointless

If its occurring on one PS3 it will be occurring on another PS3 why? because they are exactly the same no one is better or worse other then its HDD size. Same applies to 360 and even PC but PC is a special case due to its multiple set-ups but poor optimization of the game can effect every set up on the market.

But anyways to me GOTY and titles like it mean absolutely nothing at all because so many are handed out now days from various sites even those that shouldn't even be giving such out.

The thing about bugs is, not everyone hits them but it doesn't mean it won't kill other people's game experience. Dragons are one of the main parts of this game, yet they are so badly bugged. If they cannot get the basics right then they have no hope for the rest of the game.

I think this sums it up fairly well for me. Bethesda's aim with this series is to create something long-lasting and replayable, whilst experimenting with various mechanics each time. This is what Todd Howard has said repeatedly in interviews. However, they are shoddy because there is no quality control with any of their releases (I bought 3 and downloaded a free one); granted it's difficult to test these games thoroughly, because they cram as much content as is possible in any single player experience I've tried so far. Perhaps a little less of the experimentation and a little more stability? Like reaching a plateau for TES, keeping what works without trying new things, though I know this company does not think like that...

How are dragons badly bugged? Mine work fine.

Now, that's just a wild assumption, especially when you consider the majority of the players see Bethesda's logo on game start-up. Rest of your statement, you're barking up the wrong tree, especially because I don't need a lecture in what the majority says and what the minority says. What I know is this, majority is having no issue playing the game, minority is having issues playing the game. Fact. Nowhere in my original statement did I say the issues didn't exist, so do not try to spin that up into my original post.

Can fully accept that those with issues are in the minority...but its a minority recognized by Bethesda, and because of that and the fact that other Studios have released games with little to no issues in 2011, Bethesda should not have been awarded what they were in the VGAs. That is why I posted here, because of the issues even effecting just a minority, and the admittance of the mistake of 1.2 patch, Bethesda shouldnt qualify for the awards given, not over studios like Rock Steady for batman AC or Valve for Portal 2

Because I had quest bugs, the worry was the patch would make my gameplay even more unstable...so, took the option to restart from scratch once the game itself was in a more stable condition, its a game I enjoyed a lot until the glitches made it obvious something was wrong, and the fact the game is still in my collection after 3 weeks of not being able to play it as I would have liked is a sign that I want this game to work properly for me. I want a complete gaming experience, one that isnt broken up by reverting to earlier saves to bypass a quest glitch or to have the experience changed just because a patch warped the parameters of the game outside what they were designed to be

My claims about Bethesda not looking to patch things like quest issues until January are not dire, infact if you read the updated patch notes for the 1.3 update in the PS3 area you will see them admit what their update strategy will be following the 1.3 fix to 1.2 patch....the 1.3 patch will no contain any quest related fixes, but they will be addressed in January..Bethesda's own words..so again, not my dire claims, but the words of the Studio of the year

LMAO, Yes!

Don't be such a stupid consumer. I hear all the time how Bethesda games are released in a practical beta/broken (that is the exaggeration Cynik was talking about) state every single time, yet you morons apparently buy every single one expecting something different. Like, what?!?!?!?!

You just reinforced exactly what Cynik said.

Ok now I know quite a few people who own the game and aren't on the forums. I also know as a fact they know who the developers are and would complain if there were issues. My personal experience aside i'm sure people can read the game case and see Bethesda written on it and would know to probably search google for bethesda.com and complain to them about ____ bugs being game breakers etc etc etc. Most people accept a game being bad/broken and move on with their lives.

Here's the thing. Most people don't have terrible bugs or some do and just ignore them/reload and have a great experience with the game. These people voted. There is your answer.

State of man kind? lol

I reckon experimentation is a good thing and will lead to new and exciting techniques and technologies that will help make the games of tomorrow suitably mind blowing

/thread.

Stop this baseless / useless whining people.

lol but broken? I hope not....my game is fine btw but I am on PC

I agree. As Skyrim has gone mainstream, the audience has expanded quite a bit, and, dare I say it, the quality has dipped somewhat. I was a lurker back during Oblivion's days, and it certainly never felt this combative (well perhaps at the very start, but nothing this extreme). Morrowind's forums are a pleasure.

Personally, I think the game is wonderful and I love Bethesda; they are amongst my top 5 devs. Bugs are to be expected of course. That said, the debacle should have been handled better; as some people have said, having to form a pastiche of individual tweets to understand Bethesda's attitude and plans toward the problems is wrong. Communication should have been clear and open.

All I want is for Bethesda to just learn from their mistakes and avoid them for future releases :shrug:

With all the problems with the world right now, a simple forum is what makes you sad at the state of mankind?

Please think a minute at how silly and sad that sounds.

well no not really, this is my first crack at a Bethesda title....review scores, initial reactions from my friends made me pick this game up, in fact I didnt even pick it up till the Wednesday after release, and even then made the choice not to play till the 360 texture problem had been patched, but was convinced to try it earlier and enjoyed what I had played...till i hit a couple of quest glitches...one bad enough to just totally take me out of the enjoyment of the game in search of a solution on the technical forums here where I learned of the shared misery, a minority but enough of a base of gamers were having with the game...then the 1.2 patch just totally put me off the game

A studio should not win studio of the year when it manages to break its own game with an update along with the total lack of communication with those having issues. Then its a game that wins GOTY 2011 but when there is a portion of its gamer base unable to have a full enjoyable experience with the game because of the issues, from simple gamplay to full on hardware issues, all documented and made known via the gaming media press also should be getting GOTY award when titles like Arkham City or Portal 2 dont get the recognition they deserve is annoying and shouldnt go unchecked

Well I can apply it to my life. I know about.... 15-20 people who own the game, and every single one of them loves it. I also see lots of comments on various sights (youtube, etc.) with the majority of the people saying they love it.

I support this and want to see it become reality.

I support this support.