This is for my fanfic. There isn't much reference material for Summerset but what is the weather and temperature like? It seems to be close to the polar region of Nirn so would the bottom part of it be cold? There's never any mention of snow in Summerset from what I've read. Is it dry heat? Humid heat? No heat? The region on which I'm focusing is Firsthold but the other cities are just as important.

its on the same longitude as Valenwood and Elsweyr, so its not ice cold or anything. Mediterranean, i'd say.

I've always pictured it as some sort of cross between Crete in the Mediterranean and maybe Hawaii, leaning a bit more strongly towards Crete. There was a small picture of a part of Sumurset Isle on the character selection screen of Battlespire if you have that game, I've never found a screenshot of it anywhere myself though, and it's been so long since I've played it I couldn't describe it to you.

Weather is a symptom of numarical dysgenisis, or Man. Here in the Isles, we have no Men. The preservation of the land is executed by the crystal will of our wizard-beaurocrats, not nature, which is what mongrels kneel to.

Think antithesis of Morrowind, but both are (or were) great magicka wells and very alien. The land has been terraformed over the centuries to reflect the mathmatical schema of perfection the Altmer have yet to ... perfect. In one word: placid. I imagine that the air, which crackles with magicka, is so stale, that ships need to be sling-shot out to sea. That, or propulsion is handeled by the will of the pilot, until the winds of the Blue Divide can catch a sail.

There is really no lore, but it definitely isn't tropical paradise. For the sake of your role play though, I'd make it whatever climate you are comfortable with describing.

You just ruined my Summerset Isle for ever :flame: .

I just got done watching Avatar which I really liked a lot. Do you think (and this is off the subject) that Valenwood would look something like "Pandora" (the planet on which Avatar is set)? I imagine the Bosmer being like the blue people in Avatar, more or less.

So you're saying, Jackfrost, that Summerset has been "ruined" by the elves in an attempt to perfect it? Where'd you get this from? Aren't elves more inclined to preserving nature than man? Well, the High Elves are far more advanced and sophisticated than any other race, so it makes since that they would have more buildings and everything in their cities.

In this picture from Arena: http://www.imperial-library.info/places/crystal_tower.jpg
...it looks like it's like a dried up wasteland desert type of place. But that's just near the Crystal Tower. I'm picturing Summerset Isle to be very tropical, just like Valenwood. As Lady Nerevar pointed out, they're all on the same longitude. Summerset is more humid, I think, as it is a very giant island, almost a continent in itself. With that, I don't think it would snow there, at least not in some parts. Maybe in the tall mountain regions.

So how do you know it isn't tropical and humid there though, jackfrost? Are you just making stuff up as you're typing?

At the same time, the Summerset Isles backdrop used for Altmer characters http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:AR-Race-High_Elf_Female.jpg.

I'm saying I don't know what it looks like. I built my assumption on a line or two from the first pocket guide:

"They have a high regard for order and gravitate naturally towards wearing uniforms and speaking in formal patterns. Their trees and their livestock have been bred to be as standard and ideal as they are." I took this to an extreme, and I applied the principle of terraforming, to build a perfect natural order around the perfect society. "They have no real names of their own, only combinations of numbers that, when spoken aloud, sound to human ears as such. They feel no real tenderness for one another and have no concept of compassion."
------------------------------------------------
"They are decadent and self-obsessed, and prize form and their own brand of manners or style as their main value. Aware of their aristocratic position, they surround themselves with riches and treasures, the works of great artists and the finest of everything, but have no real appreciation for any of these things. Each of them is concerned solely with himself, and as a result they do no real socializing; they meet and hold courts only to demonstrate their importance and power to each other. Rarely do they speak to the human ambassadors of Cyrodiil; when they do, their speech is full of riddles, or spell-words that enchant one to a satisfied madness."

If that isn't the forums, I don't know what is
------------------------------------------
Those pics are about as lore correct as my assumption. I know they aren't tropical, because I want to believe they aren't, because tropical paradise is not the purpose of the Sumursets. They are the Anuic fold of the Padomaic Morrowind, or a haven from Mundex Arena.

Ah.... but I think that guy who wrote that was being rather blunt. Kinda like, a pilgrim writing a brief summary of the native americans when they first arrived from England way back when. Thanks for the reference.

Yes, although what the pilgrim said was biased, it wasn't wrong. "YR", dismisses Eric as a fool, but http://www.imperial-library.info/pge/preface.shtml for "not following in [his] father's footsteps". So, for not riding on daddy's coattails, you get stuck in the "Outerlands", indefinitely. Eric seemed capture that in his anolysis.

I think YR's lack of commentary, in the Aldmeri Dominion article, is indicative that the anolysis rang true in his heart.

Sunny...with a chance of arrogance.

Oh my God! Why did I ever want TESV to be in summerset isle?

"However it is described in A Pocket Guide to the Empire in the sentence; 'Cloudrest, atop Eton Nir, the highest mountain in Summerset, is a decidedly odd mixture of architectural styles, with buildings like strangler vines, built on top of other, older structures. The oldest of all ruins there, and in isolated spots throughout the island, are made of coral, which must have been carried many, many, miles away from the sea.'"

"The island has idyllic orchards and clear pastures, still and silent lagoons, misty woodlands, and the unique Psijic architecture that seems to be as natural as its surroundings."

Taken from UESP. So, with the coral, parts of it could look like an ocean floor. With the pastures, lagoons and woodlands, it could be somewhat like Cyrodiil -- a mix of many different environments. I'm thinking it could be humid in some parts, mild in others, but nothing here would strike me as it being cold and snowy.

There is a better one in the Sermons, [censored] svckers talking about the PGE, it's in the section with the domeheaded demon.

Before long the invisible one was among the libraries of the east, feeding the essential words of The Pocket Cabal to his walking dwarf and then running when the magic would fail. After a year or two of this thievery, Muatra was sick to its stomach, and the walking dwarf exploded near the slave pens of a wizard's tower. The Pocket Cabal then slipped itself into the mouths of the slaves and hid again.

Vivec then watched as the slaves erupted into babble and breaking magic. They rattled their cages and sung out half-hymns that formed into forbidden and arcane knowledge. Litany fiends appeared and drank from the excess. Grabbers from the Adjacent Place came into the world sideways, the slave talking having disrupted the normal non-cardinal points.


---

One could say Eric was a fool for not taking it far enough.




It seems the Empire takes great joy in elaborately describing the derelict parts of the Islandlands.

I don't blame them, the Altmer aren't there.

I understand Tribunal, which was origionally to be TES3, was set in the Sumursets. That idea obviously died, and I don't doubt we will never see it. Its barely part of Tamriel, to begin with.

Quite, but the coral bit is Maormer architecture, so not the typical Altmer building style. And I believe the next bit is speaking of Artaeum, and who knows what the Psijics did to that place Heck, it's not even there half the time.

I can hardly wrap my mind around Altmer terraforming :ahhh:

The Morrowind art of an Altmer with a nautilus shell on his head, and a crab leg across his chest, indicates the Isles are diverse enough not to melt your eyes. I'd say the altmer of the lesser islands don't care for uniforms and speedtree, they like their coral just fine.

jack, i'm buying what you're selling.

None of that made any sense to me.
The coral architecture is by the Maormer, but I'm m betting the stuff that the elves themselves built is more prevalent. Since they're the most sophisticated and considered themselves the most upper class, I'm guessing their cities look like 18th century Europe, like in Vienna and Austria, but with the coral architecture and convoluted vine-like structures mixed in.
Don't we already have all that vine looking crap in Morrowind? Uhm, what is it, Telavanni structures and what not.

Well we can eliminate that it most likely doesn't snow there. I still say it's tropical as it's an island surrounded by the ocean. You're going to have humid weather with rain, though it probably doesn't rain there as much as it does in morrowind. But all in all, there is no documentation that really describes the flora and weather it's hot, cold, dry, humid, etc.... so it really is up to us.

And the whole point of this was for me to write my fanfic, so I guess I'll just go with the semi-tropical area. I still don't see why Jackfrost is 100% certain it's not a tropical region. Look at Hawaii. Summerset is pretty like Hawaii, they're both large islands surrounded by water.

I'm certain that Summerset has thousands, if not millions, of micro-climates. I've always heard it described as being shape by the wizards who own the lands or owned it at some point over the past millennia. Being infested with Elves, I'm certain that there have been sorcerers in noble positions of all rank. Therefore the land has been shaped to the whims of crazy Elves.

Please show some respect for MW, dude.

I love Morrowind. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful.

You need to approach the question without the preconceived notions. Tamriel's geology conflicts with logic. Soak up what the pocket guides tell you, and go from there.

The isles aren't tropical, because that imagery conflicts with the Altmeri schema. These islands were once Thrasian, and that's why choral dwellings are prevelant in certain regions.

If hey were tropic, than why would that be the only thing they point about about the Pyandonea?

I still do. They sound like (even more) narcissistic Telvanni.