Summoning

Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:34 am

Was pondering a few things for my writing the other day, and came across the concept of a man being able to conjure an ally when in need, similar to how Daedra are summoned.

Now I can't recall if its true, but could have sworn that lore wise, there is some sort of pact, ritual, or contract between Daedra and conjurers that allows them to be summoned.

Would it be possible for a willing ally, and a conjurer to ever under go a similar ritual or contract, one where the summoner would be able to summon the said companion?
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Sophie Louise Edge
 
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:42 am

A conjurer can enter a pact with a daedra in order to summon a daedra for a very long duration/permantely.
I don't think it'd work for people or Tamriels creatures though.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:28 am

That would be cool. To have a deadra fallow me permanetly. Sans items and enchantments.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:12 pm

A conjurer can enter a pact with a daedra in order to summon a daedra for a very long duration/permantely.
I don't think it'd work for people or Tamriels creatures though.

Well the thing about that is the whole Skaal being able to summons bears and wolves. If thats possible, then that means summoning beings on Nirn definitely is as well.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:12 am

They could be so called "Druids" which then they dont "summon" them as in summon them from other Plane(t)s but to call them from the Wild.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:47 am

Seriously, if you find an ample vein of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum, it's always possible.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:16 am

In http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/2920.shtml there is an instance of a witch summoning "the spirits of the air, Amaro, Pina, Tallatha, the fingers of Kynareth, and the breath of the world", which don't look properly Daedric in nature. (Yes, I know that 2920 is historical fiction).
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:37 pm

Maybe nature summoning is more of a trust between summoner and nature, while undead and daedric summoning is pretty much dominating another thing with force. That's probably why the Skaal and spriggs are able to summon wolves and bears, while everyone else are stuck with undead and daedra.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:49 am

Thou summoning Undead and Daedric doesn't need to be made purely by your will or power.

As stated it can as well be done by the share wills of the summoner and the summoned.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:51 am

I imagine the animal summoning is just a game play mechanic, to make it simpler than having the animals actually come out of the wild. At least that was how I saw it, I never considered the spriggans and the Skaal to be actually summoning, more like calling out to them.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:22 am

I imagine the animal summoning is just a game play mechanic, to make it simpler than having the animals actually come out of the wild. At least that was how I saw it, I never considered the spriggans and the Skaal to be actually summoning, more like calling out to them.

That's what I was leaning towards
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:40 pm

I imagine the animal summoning is just a game play mechanic, to make it simpler than having the animals actually come out of the wild. At least that was how I saw it, I never considered the spriggans and the Skaal to be actually summoning, more like calling out to them.

Exactly, even the spell is called "Call Bear" not "Summon Bear".
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:45 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Doors_of_Oblivion

The book makes an allusion to one person summoning another (although the summoned appears to have refused the summon). I don't know if that's possible simply because they were in two different planes or if it's a "general" rule of thumb. Almost falls under "Recall" in Mysticism as much as summoning. My grossly inflated .02. :)
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:17 pm

I must say there could be a large number of reasons why. It's my thought that perhapes summoning natural creatures is much more difficult to do than it is with daedra. This being it is just more difficult to summon things from ones own realm. Dremora of course are immortal so they would have an eternity to learn how to summon other daedra, they look down upon "lesser beings" so I doubt they would bother with summoning one of our creatures.

Or pehapes because of the difference between Oblivion worlds and Nirn. Each realm suits to the whim of its Daedric Prince and is constantly shifting in accordance while Nirn more or less stays the same, making it easier to grab a daedra.

Kynareth could also ahve some influence over it. The strong magical presence in Nirn could also affect things as well. My last idea is that it has something to do with the spirit and with daedra, there's is essentially immortal while the presence of Nirn's creatures is around much shorter, making it difficult for a conjuerer to "find" one.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:32 pm

I imagine the animal summoning is just a game play mechanic, to make it simpler than having the animals actually come out of the wild. At least that was how I saw it, I never considered the spriggans and the Skaal to be actually summoning, more like calling out to them.

That is a possibility, but then we can also wonder why the devs didnt make it a companion like they have already had in the games.

Either way, I guess it'd be safe to say between two well learned individuals that under a blood pact, some ritual, and sufficient magical ability that a person can be summoned, especially with the person willing.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:29 pm

Now I can't recall if its true, but could have sworn that lore wise, there is some sort of pact, ritual, or contract between Daedra and conjurers that allows them to be summoned.



Yeah, and you can do it, too. It's called the soultrap glitch. :P LOL. J/K
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:50 pm

That would be cool. To have a deadra fallow me permanetly. Sans items and enchantments.


You need a properly attuned altar and three samples of whatever sort of dust of the Atronoch you wish to summon, but this is not an uncommon occurrence in Cyrodill at least.

Apparently Daedra hearts work as well because the Temple employs a handful of permanently bound Dremora.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:07 am

Obviously there's no "communication" type spells in Elder Scrolls because it's a single player game with very generic companions. However, that doesn't mean such a spell wouldn't exist in the actual world of Tamriel. Add to that the Teleport spell of Mysticism and you can do a summoning of sorts of pretty much anybody.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:21 am

Apparently Divath Fyr has spent a lot of time in the Badlands, as he seems to prefer the company of Dremora to other Daedra. The fact he actually owns a near complete set of Daedric Armor shows they are probably quite fond of him too. Or at least tolerate him more than most mortals. I'd be hesitant to imply he has actual friendships with them but they obviously respect his powers as a Summoner.

edit: In my opinion, lore-wise, Daedric armor would be extremely rare, worn only by the most elite warriors and Battlemages who are either able to beat the powerful Kyn who possess it or to earn the respect of the Daedra and be rewarded with some. In all likelihood very few complete sets exist on Tamriel. I'd say its presence is more accurately represented in Morrowind than in Oblivion. There's no way every two bit Marauder boss or Vampire lord in the world has a full set. It's much more rare than even Glass or Ebony considering the extreme magicks that go into its creation. I'd guess there are fewer than ten complete sets in all the world and that's a liberal guess.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:13 am

Apparently Divath Fyr has spent a lot of time in the Badlands, as he seems to prefer the company of Dremora to other Daedra. The fact he actually owns a near complete set of Daedric Armor shows they are probably quite fond of him too. Or at least tolerate him more than most mortals. I'd be hesitant to imply he has actual friendships with them but they obviously respect his powers as a Summoner.

edit: In my opinion, lore-wise, Daedric armor would be extremely rare, worn only by the most elite warriors and Battlemages who are either able to beat the powerful Kyn who possess it or to earn the respect of the Daedra and be rewarded with some. In all likelihood very few complete sets exist on Tamriel. I'd say its presence is more accurately represented in Morrowind than in Oblivion. There's no way every two bit Marauder boss or Vampire lord in the world has a full set. It's much more rare than even Glass or Ebony considering the extreme magicks that go into its creation. I'd guess there are fewer than ten complete sets in all the world and that's a liberal guess.


The amount of Daedric armor always bugged me too. If someone is going to own a set in the Tamriel they should have to be powerful enough to head over to Oblivion and kill for it.

I guess you could write it off in Oblivion that there had been lots of Dremora invading... and maybe some of those level scaled bandits had run across a corpse laying around un-looted. It's a [censored] explanation though, and it's the only one I can really think of.

It would be cool in the next game to have a character with a set that makes a reference to it being a leftover from the invasion though.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:22 am

The amount of Daedric armor always bugged me too. If someone is going to own a set in the Tamriel they should have to be powerful enough to head over to Oblivion and kill for it.


Fyr probably is, but I don't think he had to kill for it. As a conjurer he trades with the Daedra and when you've been trading with Daedra for more then 4000 years, a suit of armour is the least thing you'd pick up.
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:06 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Doors_of_Oblivion

The book makes an allusion to one person summoning another (although the summoned appears to have refused the summon). I don't know if that's possible simply because they were in two different planes or if it's a "general" rule of thumb. Almost falls under "Recall" in Mysticism as much as summoning. My grossly inflated .02. :)


that's a real find - not rea dit before :embarrass:

As to th edifference between calling and summoning th ewords seem to say something.

You can call a wild animal all you want - but does that mean it will come to you? I think not normally as a friend, unless you are one of those rare people who have a natural ability to befriend wild creatures. Say hi, say I want to be your friend, and the creature scents something it does not like about you and farts in your face as it hastily departs.

Summoning implies control as stated so that works on the power trip level. A lot of people are very uncomfortable with wild creatures - I would imagine mages, being so highly intellectual, would generally fit into that category, so why would they want to call an animal as a companion if they could not feel they could trust it?
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Post » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:03 am

The amount of Daedric armor always bugged me too. If someone is going to own a set in the Tamriel they should have to be powerful enough to head over to Oblivion and kill for it.

I guess you could write it off in Oblivion that there had been lots of Dremora invading... and maybe some of those level scaled bandits had run across a corpse laying around un-looted. It's a [censored] explanation though, and it's the only one I can really think of.

It would be cool in the next game to have a character with a set that makes a reference to it being a leftover from the invasion though.



It doesn't really work, lore-wise, however.

Only top ranking officers and Dagon's personal body guard actually wear Daedric Armor. Lower ranks like Churls and Caitiffs actually have skin that is crafted to look like the armor..a sort of outer shell like the Dreugh have. For all intents and purposes they're naked. I doubt very many of the high ranking Kyn ever stepped foot in Tamriel during the Invasion, except at critical battlefields (Kvatch, Bruma, Ald'Ruh, Ghostgate). Ergo, not many sets should appear in Tamriel. Dremora shields and weapons maybe, but not actual fully powered Daedric.
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