Hello, i have some questions, as i understand Vivec had Wraithguard, Sotha Sil had Sunder, and Almalexia had Keening (or the other way around for Sunder and Keening)
Well then i read that they all were supposed to keep them safe, how did the Dagoths get ahold of them?

and that with those they can controll the power to be "gods" from the heart correct?
and severing the heart makes them mortal again correct?

I've done all GOTY main quest so that might help
also if K and S where taken by the dagoths why wasnt Wraithguard?

Thanks.

Well, when they went to re-charge their power they were ambushed. They managed to save Wraithguard, but the other tools were lost. Therefore neither could use them.

When the Tribunal went into Dagoth Ur to refresh their powers usign the heart of Lorkhan, Dagoth and his minions ambushed them, badly wounded them, took the tools.

DAMN LYCAN, YOU NINJA'D ME.

Simply put, Ur, being pretty good with magic, bound himself and his fam to the Heart. When the Tribunal go to recharge one year, they're ambushed and robbed of the tools.

I'm sure someone else will link you if I don't.

edit: quite a ninja. :ninja:

It happens year http://imperial-library.info/history/2.shtml.

I ninja'd you both! I'm just that stealthy!

I see, and being that important i'd take at least a small battalion with me, now that it was mentioned i remember them talking about a ambush...i have more questions tho

Why/how did the Heart get there in the middle of a volcano?
Why (before Sotha Sil died, thus did Almalexia) did they not talk to each other?
Why did Almalexia kill Sotha Sil?
and was Daggy Ur trying to bound himself with the Heart to become gods much like Almsivi?
and i believe i can respond to this one
Daggy wanted the Artifacts(Wg, S, K) so that one else could harm the heart and take away his powers? or was it to kill the heart and then take out the Almsivi?

1. It was fired there by either Trinimac or Auri-El, can't remember, and the landing made the explosion that created Vvardenfell.
2. Sotha Sil locked himself away in the clockwork tower, and Ayem put Vivec under house arrest in his palace.
3. She went insane.
4. He already was a god at the point when you killed him.
5. He wanted to become a god, create a gaint stompy robot and take over the world, killing or enslavign everyone.

and if the battalion was brought along, they'd found out the secret of ALMSEVI's powers.

So, wait Daggy had the tools and then They took them back? or he took the tools from them?

The tables have been turned.

During the Dawn Era of existence, Lorkhan's heart was removed by Trinimac, a powerful spirit Akatosh commanded to do so. Trinimac shot the heart into the air and it landed in Morrowind and formed Red Mountain.

I think Sotha Sil just became more and more of a recluse and cut off contact with the outside world completely.


I recall she did it because it was part of a plan to make her more powerful and gain more worshipers. Vivec and Sotha Sil were in her way.

Somewhat. He created Akulakhan, the Second Numidium, to conquer Tamriel and create a theocracy centered around THAT and not necessarily himself. As Lycan has pointed out, he also did so to save himself from death.


If it was to destroy the heart, don't you think he would have done that BEFORE the events of TES III? It was so the Tribunal couldn't "recharge" their powers.

Okay lemme get this Right
Almsivi had the tools
they went to red mountain where akatosh got pretty mad at Lorkhan and had some guy remove his heart and throw it, thus red mountain, and Almsivi needed to recharge there powers and went to do so with the tools, Daggy and friends ambushed them, and only Wraithguard got out, they didn't talk because they just strayed away, Alamexia killed Sotha Sil and tryed for Vivec so that people could only worship her and make her seem more powerful....Daggy wanted a huge metal man to enslave who he wanted thus the big guy in the cavern and he wanted the tools so they couldn't recharge so they'd slowly die,
Couple more things

What did lorkhan do to get his heart removed?
and i'm guessing Almsivi went to red mountain way before Daggy was alive to get there powers...what lead them to get the power? wouldn't the whole world be rushing to get it? why only them?

and the Neverine was pretty much a Warlord in his time yes?

Yes. Clarification: He needed the tools to siphon power better from the Heart as well. I forgot they didn't get Wraithguard.

It seems like you've done an extremely small amount of reading. He is responsible for the creation of existence. Go read the FAQ on this forum.

Long story short: Ur, back when he was Voryn Dagoth, and the Tribunal, back when they were the mortals Vehk, Seht, and Ayem, were at war with the Dwemer, who found and enchanted Lorkhan's Heart and created tools to use its power to become one god. The Tribunal's leader, Nerevar, leads an attack on the Dwemer and defeats them. They go into the chamber where the Heart lay and gain the tools. Nerevar consults with Azura who says they shouldn't use the tools. Nerevar puts Dagoth in charge of guarding the tools while he deliberates with the Tribunal on what to do. Nerevar decides that they should destroy the tools (as opposed to the Tribunal who want to study them), but Dagoth doesn't want to give them up. They fight; Dagoth is mortally wounded. The Tribunal betray Nerevar and kill him.

Actually i just found out that Lordkhan tricked in making Mangus or helped in a way, i'll get back to that later...


ALL, thanks for the help, I really got things into my view theres more questions but i can get those my self,
Again thanks for the help, even tho it wasn't much

Sotha Sil was pretty good with magic. If Dagoth Ur could do it like that why couldn't Sil?

Because he used the Tools....

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edit: I now assume you mean AFTER losing the Tools. They were weaker than Ur and his compatriots because they couldn't recharge at the Heart.

I was under the impression that Dagoth Ur didn't use the tools.

He also lived right next too it. And hey, he may have struck slightly differently.

Likely, Ur took the more dangerous path and so tying himself to the heart cost him his sanity or whatever reason you want to come up with. Sotha Sil probably disregarded the approach Ur took because he knew it was too dangerous, opting for the path the Dwemer took.

Opting to the dwemer path would mean a failed absorbiside into a giant robot.

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Well, actually, he did absorb himself to his machines.

After centuries, not in a blink of an eye. And it's still unknown of the extent he connected himself with his machines.

No, they were experimenting with it before hand. Before they constructed Numidium, there are oblique references to the Dwemer learning to be immortal. Hold on while I dig up sources...

First, we've got http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/egg_of_time.shtml, which clearly is not showing a Robot becoming connected to the heart.
Then, from the two accounts of the battle at Red Mountain, we have An explicit reference to this and Vivec's account is a bit more cirumspect: It doesn't say "learned how to tap its powers to build a new god" it separates them. Furthermore, All that Nerevar knew was that the Dwemer vanished. He wouldn't presume to say that they had made themselves immortal unless either Vivec misspoke or Nerevar was jumping to conclusions about their disappearance.

I was talking about Sotha Sil...

Grammatical misinterpretation ftw...

You know, it would have been easier to have just said the dwemer experimented around, and then decided to make themselves one giant god after lots of experimentation. I see the dwemer way of immortality/godhood as the giant absorbiside. If you had earlier said they used experiments on how to make a mortal immortal via the heart, and that was the dwemer way, I'd accept that, just not the name. I can connect the lines that Dagoth and Sotha used the dwemer experimental godification of to become gods, and so on and so on.


Blah, my main point still stand that the two may have struck the heart differently.