Sunglare And Sunsets

Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:00 pm

I'm currently using the Beaming Sunglare mod. It produces lovely sunbeams. However, I'm missing the brilliant colors of the sunsets.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Gankaku/Oblivion/AnvilSunset4.jpg (pretty much Vanilla Oblvion)

http://i42.tinypic.com/bimslx.jpg- as you can see there's no color either along the horizon or in the entire scene except right around the sun. Don't get me wrong, I love this glare but I also miss the wash of color across the horizon on my sunsets.

Is this just the time of the year on my game? Or is the beaming glare washing out all the color? Has anyone else noticed this?
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Danii Brown
 
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:05 am

I guess Beaming Sunglare would do that if the light from the object is so great. You could open up the mod in TES4View and try to play around with lighting to get the array of colors back or at least some semblance of the effect.

Edit: Check out the "http://oblivionmodgods.de/rpg-blackdragons-ultra-hdr-t432.html" for this mod. The shader tweaks cause unwanted changes for some (or many) people, but maybe your hardware works with it.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:48 am

I'm currently using the Beaming Sunglare mod. It produces lovely sunbeams. However, I'm missing the brilliant colors of the sunsets.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Gankaku/Oblivion/AnvilSunset4.jpg (pretty much Vanilla Oblvion)

http://i42.tinypic.com/bimslx.jpg- as you can see there's no color either along the horizon or in the entire scene except right around the sun. Don't get me wrong, I love this glare but I also miss the wash of color across the horizon on my sunsets.

Is this just the time of the year on my game? Or is the beaming glare washing out all the color? Has anyone else noticed this?

Hmm, interesting... So you aren't using any weather mods? Keep in mind that there are various weather types even in Vanilla weather. I think 13 all together. You may just be seeing one particular clear weather type that doesn't create the warmer looking sunsets. Have you tried disabling the sun beam effect to see how the sunset looks again?
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:24 pm

Weather mods generally change the light as well. You may be able to recover the sunsets by tweaking the light settings for the sky, alone.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:01 am

Hmm, interesting... So you aren't using any weather mods? Keep in mind that there are various weather types even in Vanilla weather. I think 13 all together. You may just be seeing one particular clear weather type that doesn't create the warmer looking sunsets. Have you tried disabling the sun beam effect to see how the sunset looks again?


OK I'm trying both of your tips. Yes I'm using Natural Environs (er.. I might have had that in the old shot - I don't remember but I think so). I just copied back the original Natural Environs sun files. Yeah I didn't know if the weather types effected the sunsets and made them look very different. I'll play with it. Unfortunately the sun has set and I saved (ugh) but I will try again the next game evening.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:35 pm

OK I'm trying both of your tips. Yes I'm using Natural Environs (er.. I might have had that in the old shot - I don't remember but I think so). I just copied back the original Natural Environs sun files. Yeah I didn't know if the weather types effected the sunsets and made them look very different. I'll play with it. Unfortunately the sun has set and I saved (ugh) but I will try again the next game evening.

With a mod like Natural Environments, you will see various sunsets as far as the color scheme is concerned. I think there is somewhere around 70 - 75 different weather types with NE. I could be wrong on that number. NE would be my guess for the difference. Don't worry though, you will see the warmer sunsets as well. You just may end up waiting a few days before NE cycles that weather type again.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:03 am

OK I'm trying both of your tips. Yes I'm using Natural Environs (er.. I might have had that in the old shot - I don't remember but I think so). I just copied back the original Natural Environs sun files. Yeah I didn't know if the weather types effected the sunsets and made them look very different. I'll play with it. Unfortunately the sun has set and I saved (ugh) but I will try again the next game evening.

Natural Environments changes lighting, even if you are not using Natural Weather. I found the changes effected by its presence very noticeable, not to mention it took me forever to realize that it changed the weather folder. Since it changes the sky folder, you could try copying the beaming sunglare files over to the new weather folder and overwrite NE's sky textures. If you then have the beautiful sun and the beautiful sunset, copy the lighting changes made by NE Natural Habitat maybe? over into the beaming sunglare plugin with TES4Edit.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:25 pm

Natural Environments changes lighting, even if you are not using Natural Weather. I found the changes effected by its presence very noticeable, not to mention it took me forever to realize that it changed the weather folder. Since it changes the sky folder, you could try copying the beaming sunglare files over to the new weather folder and overwrite NE's sky textures. If you then have the beautiful sun and the beautiful sunset, copy the lighting changes made by NE Natural Habitat maybe? over into the beaming sunglare plugin with TES4Edit.


FYI I just found this mod http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18801. I think I'll try it out. I will play with your idea too Tom. That sounds like what I want but I'll have to see if it works the way you described.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:39 am

I'm assuming that you took the two different pics and two different times? Judged from the fact that the sun is in two different positions. Perhaps that is simply your problem.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:44 am

FYI I just found this mod http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18801. I think I'll try it out. I will play with your idea too Tom. That sounds like what I want but I'll have to see if it works the way you described.


Well you could allways try out Godrays here is a some pic's

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/88547446-4.jpg

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/86719564-4.jpg

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/86606142-4.jpg

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/86286102-4.jpg

and here is a video of it moveing http://www.xfire.com/video/19b80c/
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:00 pm

I'm assuming that you took the two different pics and two different times? Judged from the fact that the sun is in two different positions. Perhaps that is simply your problem.


My thoughts as well. I doubt Beaming Sunglare would affect coloring etc. Would be quite easy to test, though, by comparing sunsets with the same weather condition and from the exact same time/location with and w/o Beaming Sunglare. So I did a quick test:

http://i42.tinypic.com/30jp81x.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/1z66udg.jpg

Can't see much of a difference, if any.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:46 pm

My thoughts as well. I doubt Beaming Sunglare would affect coloring etc. Would be quite easy to test, though, by comparing sunsets with the same weather condition and from the exact same time/location with and w/o Beaming Sunglare. So I did a quick test:

http://i42.tinypic.com/30jp81x.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/1z66udg.jpg

Can't see much of a difference, if any.


Ah your pictures showed it exactly. Even though mine was in the same place, the weather conditions were different because I didn't have the warm sunset across the sky like in the first one. However, if you look at your photo without sunglare, you can see all the subtle pinks and blues and how they play along the clouds. The one with the sunglare are basically the same colors but all the beautiful subtlety is washed and faded out from the beam. This is what I've been noticing on my game as well.

The Gods Ray mod looked nice - wonderful beams - but even way brighter than beaming sunglare so I'm sure it's going to wash out even more color at sunsets, but I'd like to give it a try too.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:34 pm

Ah your pictures showed it exactly. Even though mine was in the same place, the weather conditions were different because I didn't have the warm sunset across the sky like in the first one. However, if you look at your photo without sunglare, you can see all the subtle pinks and blues and how they play along the clouds. The one with the sunglare are basically the same colors but all the beautiful subtlety is washed and faded out from the beam. This is what I've been noticing on my game as well.

The Gods Ray mod looked nice - wonderful beams - but even way brighter than beaming sunglare so I'm sure it's going to wash out even more color at sunsets, but I'd like to give it a try too.


You have better eyes than I do. :) I see difference in the water, but not much in the sky.

I liked God Rays a lot when trying it out, but it doesn't work nicely with HDR and I need HDR for RAEVWD so I had to let it go.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:27 pm

Ah your pictures showed it exactly. Even though mine was in the same place, the weather conditions were different because I didn't have the warm sunset across the sky like in the first one. However, if you look at your photo without sunglare, you can see all the subtle pinks and blues and how they play along the clouds. The one with the sunglare are basically the same colors but all the beautiful subtlety is washed and faded out from the beam. This is what I've been noticing on my game as well.

The Gods Ray mod looked nice - wonderful beams - but even way brighter than beaming sunglare so I'm sure it's going to wash out even more color at sunsets, but I'd like to give it a try too.

I have some tweaks to godrays shader, it won't brighten up the screen excessively anymore.

You have better eyes than I do. :) I see difference in the water, but not much in the sky.

I liked God Rays a lot when trying it out, but it doesn't work nicely with HDR and I need HDR for RAEVWD so I had to let it go.

It was a test version, an alpha version. It has some problems. I want to know about your problems, that way I can work on a fix.

Be sure to check new versions when they come, I have a couple of fixes for new version that you may like.
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Post » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:47 pm

It was a test version, an alpha version. It has some problems. I want to know about your problems, that way I can work on a fix.

Be sure to check new versions when they come, I have a couple of fixes for new version that you may like.


This was in December or so, so I don't remember the details exactly. IIRC, it was overbright with HDR but looked fine w/o it. But w/o HDR I tend to get black distant objects with RAEVWD (plus I like HDR overall). I'll check it out again when restarting Oblivion.
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