So I was FORCED to kill Ulfric 5 minutes ago, even tho I didnt want to.

Imo he should live because hes the reason why people get stronger.

Yes Ulfric should stop someday, but not die.

I feel super sad that I was literally given no choice but to kill him.

Another thing I would like to mention is, depending on the way you take your game since the very first moment you create your character, you will find and agree with a different story.

You arent given both sides of the story at the same time, you are directed to one, and from there you will agree to do things that you regret later because you didnt understand your choices.

Its wrong. I will delete my character and create a new one and this time I will join ulfric just to revenge his death.

I've played a lot of different characters, played both sides of the civil war, and many of my characters just stay out of it altogether, but my main PC joined the Stormcloaks. A decision I later regretted. Not because I felt he joined the wrong the side, but I just hated the irreversible changes that the CW missions had on the environment. However, so far as feeling that the game is steering you to one side or the other, I honestly feel that it's trying to steer you more toward the Stormcloaks than the Empire.

From the very start of the game, you're shown an ugly side of the Empire. You're captured for no reason, and even though you're not wearing any uniform, not on any list, and no one has any idea who you are or what crime you've committed, they elect to liberate your head from your shoulders because reasons. You see the Thalmor there, and get a sense of the Empire and Thalmor having a relationship, and who comes to your rescue? A Stormcloak. After leaving Helgen, not too far south west, you find a shrine of Talos where some worshipers carrying no weapons have been slaughtered. Obviously by the Thalmor. You stumble across justiciars escorting political prisoners, hear tales of kidnappings, and all this is under sanction from the Empire who is turning a blind eye to it. Even durring the peace council at HH, Tullius shows up with a Thalmor agent, which he had to know would be a slap in Ulfiric's face considering his past, and the brutality he endured by them.

Over all, I felt the game wanted you to relate more to the rebels. The idea of being religiously persecuted, hunted down, tortured, and see this as your motivation to join the civil war. While I personally agree with the idea of the rebellion, I have to admit the game is stacked against the Empire.

I joined the empire more for the legion than for the empire, but the main reason was due to the game story and quests I chose to do first led me to think it was the right choice.

I wasnt presented with both choices at the same time, I was present with "random" quests at the time that led me into joining legion first rather than stormcloaks.

And on top of that forced me to kill someone I appreciated.

I can understand that. And the disappointment. If it makes you feel any better, there are more than enough reasons to hate Ulfric and be glad you killed him. The game does do one thing well, depending on which side you choose, it gives you all the reasons you need to hate the opposing side and want their leaders dead. But if you feel this really isn't who your character is, then I'd say start over, fresh, and pick a new side, or none at all.

Ok.....look....you are gonna come across exactly this dichotomy all through the game......but it's like life mate and that the idea if it......if you could know the far reaching outcomes of every life choice you make how easy our lives would be eh!


If you don't want the surprises and ugly thruths the answer is simple insn't it. Just get out there in the game world and explore as many quests as possible until you know the answers........or watch you tube play throughs.......or buy the official prima strategy guide book and spoil the whole damn lot for yourself.


But don't complain that things didn't work out how you wanted because your char isn't given a crystal ball in Helgen.


Live with the game mate. Enjoy its mystery ok!

I wouldn't delete your saves. Just stuff them away somewhere, make that new guy, and try the other side. You might find yourself interested in returning to your first guy eventually.

Whoever you choose to follow inside the keep he'll tell you to join his side at the civil war. Anyway it's not a big deal i guess, i remember i had done the same in my very first playthrough back in 2011. I would advice you to visit the camps of either side, speak with the officers and after that ask the people of Skyrim if the subject is there as a dialogue choice. As i see it, bethesda tried succesfully to balance the two sides so both have positives and negatives.

I didn't feel the game tried to guide me in either direction. You can either be on the side of the tyrants or the racists. I chose the 'Screw Both Your Factions' faction and have no regrets. I've played each side, and just couldn't warm up to either one. Too may flaws inherent on both sides of the equation there, and no matter what side you chose, it's really the everyday people who pay the ultimate price. The ones not even trying to get involved. As for deleting your character, you don't really have to if you don't want to. Now that the war is over, it's not like you would've had anything else to do for Ulfric's character that you can't do for the new jarl of Windhelm. Really, after the war Ulfric doesn't have much else to do with you. He just uses you to advance his own career anyway. So it's up to you, but I wouldn't delete my character over it.

I played one toon for each side back at release. And I've never done either one since. That's a couple hundred toons over the years. I don't ever expect to play the CW again for any reason.

I think that you are fortunate to be able to choose to delete your char.,ive only been in skyrim for 4 mo. had 4 char. 2 of which made it to the mid 7o lvl and both times I had a old 360 burnout, after that happened I could'nt transfer the hard drives to the next 360 So I just started over but I never chose a side im still looking forward to it.

That's pretty much where I'm at with it.

Yeah, kind of like real life, that is.

Me thinks one could chose to walk away and leave the quest unfinished. In any case, delivering the death blow is an honor. The Nords are an honor based culture and some things are more important to them then living to old age.

Hey guys just to update on this if anyone interested, I decided to, instead of deleting my character (which would be exactly what Im against of (reloading)), I decided to accept my fate and keep going.

So in a rage I went back to solitude and killed everyone that moved to attack me, started by the guards, all guards, all legion up to general tullius (but he didnt die)

The city was absolutely cleared of guards and legion, destroyed their forces completely, and went back to white run and slept peacefully

Now Im not a stormcloak nor do I share their ideals, but Ill make sure I finish Ulfrics job in teaching empire a lesson in humbleness.

Im not gonna kill every guard and legion, but if I see fit for the moment I will not hesitate.

So many innocent people dead! The guards are supposed to protect the citizens why did you killed them? A sad story worthy to be in the history books of all tamriel. Think about all the newborns of Skyrim, all those children will hear about the sad day when the Dragonborn slaughter an entire city for a pitiful reason.

Now that i think of it, killing old ladies and innocent people goes well for the dark brotherhood members. Have you thought to apply there for membership?

You saw something worthwhile in Ulfric? Each to their own, I guess.

So then, why did you side with the Empire if you sympathise with Ulfric?

I find nothing worthwhile in either Ulfric and his supporters, or Titus Mede, Tullius, Elenwen, the Empire, and the Aldmeri Dominion. I think it's time to go to some other continent - hey, how about we have the next game set in Atmora?

So... you killed innocent people?

The Dark Brotherhood is looking for new members, or so I hear.

I sided with the Stormcloaks on my first character, regretted it, made another character that only did the CW quest on the Empire side. Made a basic save after it was over and when I want to make a new character I just load up that save and showracemenu. All of my characters live in the same world. But after that... it has been years since I touched the CW quest, or any faction quest.

Trying to understand this: You're mad that you killed Ulfric, so to make up for it, you murdered half a town?

I wouldn't get too emotionally invested in Ulfric. From what I've seen he's a racist who just wants the crown for himself, no matter who dies in the process. High King Torygg actually supported Ulfric, and look where that got him. I'm not saying the Empire is much better, but certainly there are better men to follow than Ulfric.

You killed everyone in Solitude? Is that justice? The only people responsible for Ulfirc's death was Tullius, and you.

Only milkdrinkers in Solitude anyway ,-)

The Thalmor aren't exactly examples of positive race relations.

By killing off both Ulfric and the Legion, you have just demonstrated your true loyalty to the Thalmor. At least by getting rid of one side and allowing the other side to dominate in the Civil War, you would have brought more stability to Skyrim in order to better deal with both the dragon and Thalmor threats, but by killing off both, you have brought chaos to all, leaving Skyrim utterly vulnerable to the Thalmor now that they have no opposition to simply annexing Skyrim to their Dominion without even the facade of working with all the "lesser beings" under the White Gold Concordat. Congratulations!

I don't know what the alternative would be... it's sort of an ultimate consequence of your decision. Like when King Henry VIII wanted a divorce so bad he went the way of Martin Luther and established his own church to allow him to do it. The far reaching implications were that he'd *have to* violently oppress and reject Catholicism or else seem weak or, worse, show that his desire to establish a new church was insincere and *only* for the reason of granting himself a divorce. I don't think King Henry VIII would have been cheerleading what his successors did in reality. It was a consequence of his decision.

If I remember right, Henry went on a rage fueled killing spree as well, ordering the executions of over 70,000 people, mostly protestants, and even Anne Boleyn herself, who had been the reason he'd separated C of E from papal Rome to begin with. Sadly, that's a bit of history with no reload option.