If the temptation is so great not to toggle this hypothetical option, then you must be playing on very easy all the time because apparently you don't have the ability to not push a button to make things easier if given the choice. Your opinion on any other difficulty than very easy probably should not be given too much weight in that case.

Or are you just being bullheaded and argumentative for the sake of it? As I, and surely others, have said previously, how anyone other than you plays the game should not affect your enjoyment of it.

Yeah sure avoid the second half of my comment.

You mean the part that was mindless and unfounded chest beating or the part about time that likely is not that time consuming at all?

As opposed to you avoiding the entirety of that comment?


Plus it's not dumbing it down because we can't handle it, we're requesting that that one idea being optional because it would make the game less fun for us.

In my experience, this game doesn't crash and freeze as much as other Beth games. A lot of things do seem to bug out fairly often though, about as much or possibly more than other Beth games. Regardless, I don't see why that has to be the main point of contention against this save feature. The main thing against it for me is it doesn't add anything gameplay wise except make saving a chore, which depending on where you are on the map or a particular dungeon and how much progress you made since your last save might be anything from not that big of a deal to pretty tedious. I guess I am one of these "casuals" that people keep mentioning.

Having said that, could someone please explain what a "casual" is, because I've played Fallout games inside and out until I'm literally sick of them for thousands of hours, then modded them, then spent time editing my mods so they present an actual challenge while not being overly annoying till I get them perfectly how I want them and seamless from the vanilla game, then I put the games aside for a few months until I remember how much fun I've had playing them. Thousands of hours overall, and a solid month-long chunk or more of hours on FO4 alone, bought the CE, bought the season pass, spent hundreds on merchandise between the FO4 announcement and now and will definitely spend more, buy games on multiple platforms, buy DLC as it comes out AND the GOTY editions, bought games I've had installed on my computer for years just because it came in a plastic shell that looked like a bomb... Plus because I played Fallout 3, I later got wrapped up in TES just because they were made by the same studio and it scratched an itch during my Fallout downtime. I put my time in and I spent a good deal of money to boot, so if someone called me a "casual" to my face, they'd get body checked. And there are many others on here who have logged the same or more time and who are just as into the games that probably would have at least some choice words for people throwing around the word "casual" were it not for forum restrictions. Bethesda does keep their ear to the ground and are receptive to what people want, and a fair amount of those things actually do make it into the games, so if you're feeling stifled by hard heads around here just keep speaking your minds, because enough people saying the same thing will at least cause the devs to pause for consideration.

Your comments are like two half thoughts long at most bruh. I'm pretty sure I got the gist of whatever you were trying to say.

It doesn't have to be the main point of contention. Its just my main point of contention. As for casual well the supreme overlords need something to cast about as an insult to the "lesser" gamers amongst them don't they? Nevermind that an actual casual gamer isn't likely to invest in survival mode the save restrictions being the absolute least of their worries. Its just another way for the opposing ideology to try and assert their superiority and correctness.

I guess casual in this sense, are people who aren't hardcoe masochists, don't have every trophy in every game, who didn't collect every feather in AC. Because, you know how fun that waste of time is...


I myself, spend way too much time playing video games to be called a casual, but w/e I don't care.

This how people act when you win an argument.

People who talk about winning an argument most likely lost it... Dude you are coming off arrogant. Especially when you quote things from another thread...

On Topic: Kind of agree with the OP, would prefer to be able to save whenever, and to be honest I would also prefer fast travelling to be optional. Maybe an Ironman option would be a good alternative?

I just don't know why you have to justify yourself in the first place, really. But for the bugs and ctds and whatnots, just because everyone doesn't experience them doesn't mean they don't exist. There must be hundreds and hundreds of posts detailing the game's many issues.

So basically nothing more than a cheap shot. Everyone that comes here regularly to post on these forums must have at least dozens but more likely 100+ hours to have gotten anything out of it, yet they're getting treated like they're playing Candy Crush in a waiting room for not being in this hardcoe masochist set you speak of.

I clearly won the argument no matter how likely you think it is that i haven't.

Trolling or delusional, but what Enclaver has to say is not compelling enough to find out for sure.

He's claimed at "winning" arguments before... Here we go again.


Verified troll.


I don't believe a case of solipsism exists this strong naturally

Don't worry guys, we've reached the post limit. Soon this thread will be locked and will be confined to his own thread! It has popcorn.

When you...


Ahahaha oh god, my sides.


Look. Declaring yourself the victor doesn't make it so.

It becomes apparent that you have won an argument when all the opposition can do is attack you.

Probably not wise to try and make that point when much of the group sharing your view on toggles (yourself included numerous times) makes their argument on insulting the opposition as less skilled, casual, wussies etc.

No, they have an actual point. Casuals should simply have no say over something that isn't being designed for them in the first place.

Casuals aren't interested in survival. Casual here is being used in a derogatory manner to attempt to belittle those who want toggles. So no they don't have an actual point. They are attacking the opposition and by your logic losing the argument.

I am not going to judge a feature until I have tried it; regardless, I already have problems forgetting to save my progress, so this might actually be for me.

I just want to point out that Trophies/Achievements have been added in via patch. In Minecraft, new Trophies/Achievements were added this way.

That isn't how im using it.

Luckily we hit post limit, because some people are getting ridiculous.