lulz no auto-quick saving? I'll pass.

Does Bethy even gameing?

To be fair, it doesn't say they took it out, only manual and quick are removed.

Now your pretty much forced to save for a 1 hr power nap at every bed you find???

Much immersion breaking.

Wow, is this new Survival save "feature" worse than horse armor??? What is Bethy smoking really?

LOL somebody should create a poll.

So it's pretty much confirmed? No fast travel, no quick save or save-on-demand? I like some of the other things I see (ammo weight and sickness), but those first two make this an automatic deal breaker for me. I'll pass.

What a disappointment. I was hoping to see something that affected resource scarcity. How is it Survival Mode when you stumble upon a cache of stimpaks or a boatload of ammo every 15 feet? How is it Survival when those 1000 stimpaks you're carrying have no weight or you can eat 15 Squirrel on a Sticks all at once? For me, Survival Mode would have affected supplies, not when and how I save the game. Guess I'll stick with my own self-imposed Survival Mode (very restrictive -- limited resources, no power armor, no companions and so forth).

This makes me happy. Not because I'll be using hardcoe mode. But because it shows that, at the very least, Bethesda is listing to the wants of some of it's fan-base.

Personally, I won't be using hardcoe mode. With the amount of combat we see in-game, ammo having weight means I'll be limited to one gun. Ghouls giving diseases isn't going to be fun as ghouls are [censored] everywhere and I don't want to play wasteland-doctor-house every time I go to the super-duper market. And saving in a Bethesda game is something of a ritual for me as game breaking bugs could be sleeping around the corner.

I'll pass.

Still, it's great that they listened. Props to the team for doing so!

LOL this is bringing us back to days of the Atari. What if I need to take a dump and I can't save? LOL Bethesda. Uggh, i hope they realize how this idea is stupid right now and don't implement it ffs.

I'm assuming the game can still be paused.

Something tells me they won't have the cojones to follow through on the saving thing. I think they'll either include a failsafe (like autosaving, rolling saves in the background, a portable bed etc) or they'll cave on the issue once the hundreds of complaints roll in about crashes and lost progress. I'll be interested to see how it pans out.

I am stoked about everything on this list. I only played NV with hardcoe and was disappointed by it's lack of inclusion in FO4. I was pleased, however, by the fact that food actually replenished decent amounts of HP. This new Survival Mode is more than I could have hoped for in every way. I do agree that it would be nice if elements were toggle-able, but if they still won't offer that for HUD elements, it probably won't happen here. A sleeping bag would be cool for quick saves, but I'm not reading the notes as such; I believe they are only referring to sleeping bags found in the world, like in abandoned trailers, etc.

I agree that the Save Restrictions should not be implemented. Or at least allow Save On Exit or Auto Save on Zoning.

But ... As a PC Gamer, there will be mods for it.

There is already a mod that adds weight to Stimpacks and Ammo.

... alters damage output.

... needing to eat/drink.

... remove Fast Travel.

... stops limbs from regenerating out of combat,

And all this is without the GECK/CK.

I am reasonably sure there will be mods that toggle on or off each of these features regardless of your Difficulty Setting.

There are already other threads on this. The save thing is most people's biggest concern. I doubt it will make it in the final patch, but they might create a more user friendly version of it.

My personal biggest concern is the slower repopulation thing. Not sure I like that one. I'm fine with everything else.

First of all it is still a work in progress, and it will be BETA tested. Make sure you test it and leave feedback. The save thing might change, we may even get options so we can fine tune it ourself. Lets be calm and all that jazz.

Sounds good.


Complaineds should go away and do not play this mode as they will miss nothing.



THERE R ENOUGH BEDS LYING AROUND EVERYWHERE EVEN IN GLOWING SEA,


Developer works hard to bring this to meet fans' request, yet some ppl just refuse to stop complain. omg

Oh, yeah. Repopulation. There are already mods for that too.

I knew I was forgetting something.

Yeah. it's a concern and there's a whole thread on that one on the forum.

This is the starting list of features for Survival mode going into the beta right? I'd like to see how this list evolves. I REALLY want to see what else might get added. A lot of these items are carryovers from New Vegas' hardcoe mode. I really want to see where Bethesda might take the concept next.

As I am a console peon, you'll have to forgive me for not counting on mods until I see them.

Don't get me wrong. I think the best option for Beth is to make each of them toggle-able. Toggle on the ones you want. Toggle off the others.

Yes, Beth do what Dragon Age Inquisition did and make the difficulty customizable and the limitations customizable. I will not play if they limit fast travel. Look when Artair is out of ammo, and out of health. I don't want to be running halfway across the map, getting shot up by your murder traps. Because you made this game focus on fighting rather than story.

They r slowing down respawn because fast travel & resource is very much limited... it's almost absolute necessity to slow respawn down as we will spend more time walking & sleeping.


Mods r not any kind of option for majority of FO4 players.


Omg. Bethesda is clearly doing fine job with this. Just trust them for once and hope for least glitches.

After 550 hours of playing FO4.


My conclusion is the map is small enough & Terrainless to disable Fast travel.


Also beds r available literally everywhere, nobody should ever worry about not being able to save more than every 2 minutes of non combat time.

What about

Bethesda can limit it easily by just transporting u back to where u transported from.


they may or may not.


We have Vertibirds anyway.

No Fast Travel? I think thats a big Problem for me personally. I do like to make Settlements and sometimes i need special Junk/Materials. So i have to go to Diamond City or Good Neighbor and ofcourse the Way back. I hope we can choose which Options we want, i mean the Rest sounds good, but no FT for a Settlement Guy like me thats horrible.