EDIT: PEOPLE WHO DONT READ POSTS - I'M NOT SUGGESTING THE XP SYSTEM BE CHANGED

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The buffs/ammo give out more XP than they are possibly worth in terms of effecting the actual game. All you have to do is give out buffs/ammo in complete safety until your supply is empty, then kamikaze an enemy group to die and refill your supply instantly. Rinse, repeat. Automatic top score. Refilling one guys ammo can be worth multiple kills.

I think the scoreboard should show XP, primary objectives completed, secondary objectives completed and yes, K/D. If they want to promote teamwork with the xp system and give people who cant shoot a way to be up there and help.. sure thats all good.... but I still want to know what people actually did (not to mention what I did..) and I dont think it would have hurt the user experience. And it doesnt have jack to do with Call of Duty, so you can save that nonsense.

Hopefully the stats website will be good. I like following stats just as something to keep interest in repetitive gameplay.

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Anyway, to assure you I'm not just trolling or something I will say that I do like game quite a bit in the 1 in 5 thats not atrociously laggy. If the lag is straightened out I can see myself playing it for a good chunk of time. And I can already tell that soldiers with under barrel grenade launchers (with all their grenade/supply upgrades) are going to be complained about a lot.

Oh and good move with having skins for most of the clothes, helps customization a lot.

Kinda expected that TBH. But EXP seems sort of useless altogether.

Well hopefully people spot this and then not go to him for ammo...

So who cares about the leaderboard in a teambased shooter again?

If my TEAM wins, I'm fine.

Eh this will go the way of Shadowrun, where people make up their own arbitrary rules and not play with others who dont follow them. Not knocking Shadowrun, and its got a solid core playerbase, but I always find matches where people say Im not allowed to use certain weapons or abilities to be pretty lulz.

Or better yet, get booted for doing something that was against the "rules" without anyone having told me before hand.

You may be fine, but heh - give me a break. Winning while getting 20 kills and 5 deaths is far far more fun than winning while getting 5 kills and 20 deaths and I dont know why people suddenly want to pretend theres something wrong with thinking that.
From pac-man to streetfighter to modern multiplayer games, winning on a head to head level and competing on leaderboards has always been a core concept behind any competitive or score based game. Sure having the team win and helping is good, but heh this isn't defending my country or something Im in it for my personal enjoyment.

Anyway like I said, I dont really care that much that you can lead XP via running around doing nothing but buffing/reviving/etc. teammates... I just wish it would show the rest of the information. At the very least to me personally. Just an observation.

People always talk about how new games don't have skill to get to the top and such. Well why should it matter? Play the game and if you don't like it, don't play it.

oh and i lead xp in BFBC2 so many times just with a defilabrator like really i always outmatched everyone but i never had a decent K/D but did sometimes [censored] in Kills and Points alot i prob couldve been max level in not a long time in BF BC 2 if i wouldve kept wit it but it got boring being on top of the board with 13,000 while the 2nd place guy had 9,000 and people never complained about that and *neither did i*

Heh, I've been on gaming forums since I was 11 and I can only think of two games where it was a major topic of discussion. I'm sure there are others, but lol that is not a common complaint for every game.

And I already explained my logic.

Anything that encourages other players to actually give out the buffs and extra ammo their class has access to is good in my book.

many ppl want be the best in their team.

Sure seems like a major topic for most of the forums I've joined for games. Oh well, it's just one of those things I suppose.

sure. but if player can earn mountains of exp by just buffing others and doing nothing else it sort of lame, isnt?

different strokes for different folks... I find that I don't need a leader board to let me know if I'm doing a good job. While exp maybe the carrot, I don't have to put it on the stick, and make a huge deal out of it, but that is just me.

If player A and enemy B are equally matched and support person C comes up and buffs player "A's" ammo to give him that edge over enemy B, then you still get your kills, i just "helped," and while this play-style may not be to your taste, it certain situations it might take just a bit more "skill" than you could dream of to wade out into a river of bullets to try and revive someone, or pass off a buff, while keeping yourself in one piece and still trying to lay down fire with your teammates. Just my opinion and observations, I could be wrong.

is it your opinion then that the support classes and the buffs, heals, and various other levels of support you get from them are of less value then?

Well if you can lead the scoreboard simply by buffing your team mates, what is stopping the other players from doing the same thing? By that logic everyone should be on fairly even terms if they are helping their team, except those who complete the objectives that are worth a lot more exp by comparison. Seems like the ones who actually complete the major objectives are going to be higher on the scoreboard than those that just spam buffs and die. I dunno, guess I'll find out more when I get it.

The keyword is team

You(o.p) do not seem to understand what this game is, this game is not meant for you and your kind.

As I said, I don't have a huge problem with the XP system promoting all these teamwork systems. Thats ok. But if they are so strongly rewarding those systems, I would just like to merely be able to SEE the other stats. Dont even rank people by them, just let me see them. Or at least see my own.

In any case I'm not saying I snapped the disk and noone should buy the game over it, I'd just like more information.

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'this game is not meant for you and your kind. "

Nonsense. And I get the feeling people arnt actually reading my post.

No KDR, for the the love of god. I'm sick of it always being thrust in my face in games, and always being on my conscience. All it's ever used for is:

• E-peen waving and ego-stroking, which in Brink is BAD
  
• Judging another player's credibility, which in Brink is BAD
  
• As a requirement for elite clans, which in Brink is... well, I'm not going to say bad, but I don't exactly want to run into an elite clan when I'm playing solo.

I can keep a pretty good KDR, I have nothing to hide, I'd just rather in ALL games it was out of sight and out of mind. MAG was a squad-based, tactical team shooter, and it showed KDR... guess what happened a few months down the line? It got to the point where if you didn't have a 2.0 KDR you were totally disregarded by the "pro" players, sometimes even shown hostility. It divided the community, and let elitism seep in. It was terrible.

OP has zero credibility. No KDR, ever, ever. Please.

Brink is a competitive multiplayer shooter. One guy says brink isnt for me, I say people who are so against competition/stats/comparison should be playing a single player game. Do you think that organized sports shouldnt keep stats?
Are we 4 year olds in tee ball where everyone plays and noone keeps track of the score?

Personal accomplishments (relatively speaking) has always been a part of team games. There is still competition with the XP scoreboard, I just dont see why I cant see how many freaking kills or objectives completed I had in a game. Even if you don't show me what other people did, I cant even know what I did, come on. Again, this isn't a war for my country's freedom or something, its a videogame that people play for their own personal entertainment.



MAG was a squad-based, tactical team shooter... in which one person putting up huge kill numbers could utterly dominate the majority of gametypes. People with huge kill counts and KDR WERE very important to winning. They could prove it, and you could check if someone talking up their skill could back it up or not, so what. Most of the arguments over it on the forums were people in complete denial.

Seriously, why do people who think stats are ridiculous and everyone should be super friendly and casual play a competitive shooter? Removing the stats from Brink doesn't change what it is.

And it can also be used to just personally track your progress and how good you did in the game. The vast majority of people don't go on the forums and would never get involved in the voluntary stats discussions you seem to despise. The vast majority of people also check their K/D at the end of the game in every other FPS because they are interested.


Yes, the true path to credibility is to make a statement without supporting it. Good show.

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I wonder if people in the 70s were complaining about people trying to get high scores on pac-man. Ahhhhhhh, ego-monsters, horrible human beings. Competition is fun. Leaderboards and stats provide an extra level of it for people who want it, and can be ignored by those who don't.

And again, I didnt even suggest changing the XP system. Sure, let people lead it by easier ways to help the team. I just want the other stats, even if its just for me personally and I cant see anyone elses. Why is it so freaking evil to want to see my damn stats and try to improve them over time.

AMEN, who cares about leaderboards? This is the first game that is 100% team dependant that i have enjoyed in a long long time.

I've never seen anyone miss the pint of the game so badly! Who gives a [censored] about coming top of the leaderboard?

but you dont win the team battle by having xp you have to complete the tasks for your team to win. I'd say the whole boosting your teammates for your own xp to level up and buy stuff is good to learn the game. eventually everyone will be maxed out in games and you will then just be enjoying the gameplay and the xp will not be a major thing anymore.

Seriously, it boggles the mind that so many people pretend that leaderboards are this ridiculous concept in videogames even if Brink in particular is avoiding it.

Regardless, thats not even what I posted. Ive said five times I'm fine with the xp system promoting certain systems and having it order the scoreboard, I just want to see the other stats, or at least mine personally. The title is merely an observation.