Does anyone see some similarity between Talos and Ulfric Stormcloak? I mean, they have fought some VERY similar battles, they both went from semi-obscure people to legendary heroes. Both know how to use the Thu'um, both are Nords by birth, both become high powers, both lead a pretty large army, etc. What I'm saying, is: is it at all possible that Ulfric Stormcloak could be Talos in a human form, on Skyrim to punish the empire for stamping out his name in the worship? Let me know what you guys think.

If so, this would be way more disappointing than tiny Alduin. Ulfric didn't even draw his sword before my mighty lightning struck him down. However, I really can't fault your thinking. It would make quite a bit of sense.

And there's the resemblance between Stormcloak and Stormcrown.

But no way. I don't see it, and I doubt very much that Bethesda would make TALOS leader of a faction that you can choose to join or fight against. Plus I'm still holding out hope that the PC is a Shezarrine, though that seems debunked by this point...

On the other hand, Ulfric IS the sort of unlikable [censored]I guess a Shezarrine would probably be.

No, their names are different.

Talos wasn't an easily-manipulated unwitting tool for the Aldmeri Dominion, though.

Actually, he reminds me quite a bit of Hjalti from the Arcturian Heresy, all things considered.

But no, he most likely is not Talos.

Talos....

Fighting the Empire?

And on the Stormcrown thing, I listened to the preacher while running around and for a minute was like "WHAT THE HELL?" because I thought I heard Stormcloak.. >_>

If I remember reading correctly he realized his error and that the Thalmor had manipulated him in Cyrodil at the battle of Markath (where he also mercilessly slaughtered people, reminding me of Pelinal).

When you side with him for the civil war he clearly and frequently repeats that the Thalmor are the true enemy, and him and Galmor both express sentiments of the next target being the Aldmeri Dominion once Skyrim is united. While it is true that the Thalmor currently love the civil war for weakening both sides, it says in the dossier on Ulfric that a Stormcloak victory is to be avoided at all costs as well.

Nords in small numbers have done tremendous things before, don't count out Ulfric's possible future in the lore. And just because you can side against him and kill him in-game doesn't mean all that much.

All that being said I do not in fact think Ulfric is Talos reborn.

That Ulfric has a powerful Fus Roh Dah...

Try attacking him and see...


How did his Thu'um get so good...

Voice lessons.

I lol'd

I don't think Ulfric is either though, not right now anyway, even though you can't count out what he will do in the future if beth makes a canon decision on the civil war. He could just be in the beginning stages of Mantling Talos.

Hes a bastard and A idiot...No if anyones Talos reborn Its general Tullias

I doubt the following was intentional (but if it was, it wasn't given nearly enough oxygen), but it is a pleasing lense, so I'm gladly looking through it. Here's my thoughts:

The story is largely the same, I imagine, no matter what side of the conflict you choose. Here we have Ulfric and Tullius, evenly matched skilled leaders, each longing to make a name for themselves. They are locked in a military stalemate until they are joined by a shadowy figure of tremendous power. With the help of this mysterious newcomer the war suddenly turns decidedly in their favor. I cannot say anything about Talos (and I think one shouldn't focus so exclusively on him anyway), but it wouldn't be the first time the eventual ruler (Alessia, Tiber Septim) owed their throne to "an immortal hero, warrior, sorceror, and king" who "wanders Tamriel, gathering armies, conquering lands, ruling, then abandoning his kingdoms to wander again".

Well, along the lines of "Why would Talos fight the empire?":

1. It's no longer of his bloodline. (No longer the Septim Empire, but rather the Mede Empire) He wouldn't likely have an issue with killing off an empire that has nothing to do with his bloodline anymore.

2. He's also possibly punishing the empire for removing his name from worship across Tamriel.

And isn't there a small connection between Talos and Alessia? Or am I just plain out insane?

And also, I don't see how it's so doubted. I mean, you have Ama Nin who was Mara in human form. I never really said that Ulfric is possibly Talos reborn, but rather a human manifestation of Talos to take back his homeland and punish the empire. Who knows? Perhaps it's MK's plan to bring Talos back and re-conquer the empire for the Septim bloodline again! lol

EDIT: I also see some of you saying that you think Tullius is more like Talos. My question is: why would he fight FOR the same empire that is not of his bloodline and of which stamped out his name in worship across Tamriel?

EDIT2: Also, you have Wulf who was a manifestation of Talos in Morrowind.

If you actually Talk to him Its revealed That he has a Burning Hatred for The Thalmor BECAUSE They Banned The worship Of Talos

I don't recall Tullius EVER saying that. Now, Ulfric is T.O.ed about the banning of the worship of Talos, but I don't remember Tullius ever really saying much about it.

I'm surprised no one has thought WE might be Talos. I highly doubt it, but we ARE Dragonborn..

Maybe I just miss being the Nerevarine. D;

I've already heard the theory before, but given that Talos would have to no longer be Talos to be you, then I doubt it. It would be hard to justify the pc being an Avatar of Talos since not everyone is going to give a rats ass about him.

Yeah, true about that.

I doubt Talos would be a racist bigot who is only pro-Nords and anti-everyone else.

I think Tullius and Stormcloak both have strong claims to the mantle of Talos. Just look at their names. You can bet your ass that was intentional. But neither of them is Talos yet. Like Tiber Septim, they need the whole set. Ysmir, Wulfharth, Zurin.

That's how Bethesda is going to compensate for the differing endings, I guarantee it. Tullius, Ulfric and the Dragonborn are part of the same composite entity.

Quite a lot of people have thought that, two in this very thread :spotted owl:





I want to give Adanorcil props for that post too. Excellent.

I doubt he's Talos, but it seems likely he's trying to imitate, or even Mantle him. Ulfric is clearly highly driven, and ambitious. He learned the Thru'um, and wants to make himself a High King. When you speak to him, he says anyone can go to the Greybeards and learn the Way of the Voice, but he's the only one that we've seen actually recently do it. I think he'd very much like to become the 'new' Talos, and, if you side with him, it's possible he might even achieve his goal.

As for the Thalmore manipulation...you have to realize, Ulfric hates the Thalmore. Yes, they're using him, but they're also using the Empire. They don't want him to win any more than they want the Empire to win. As long as the Civil war is ended, the Thalmore lose. It's not a major loss, true, but it's still a loss. Either the Empire is unified once more, and can focus their energy to re-building their strength, or they have a land of Ultra-nationalistic Talos worshipers that absolutely *hate* them, and that they have no direct, and likely very little indirect control over.

Talos was two people. One incarnation of Shor shouting storms and one tactically gifted general. Ulfric and the Dragonborn, together they could be Talos.

(I haven't done that side yet)

Don't know if it works with Tullius, might be.

Just realized that's what's being said.

If the war ends with Skyrim in control of their own borders, the Thalmor will summarily be flung into a new war. Remember from the Great War text, that although the Empire lost around ten legions, the Thalmor main force was completely annihilated. The Dominion wants a situation that they can manipulate from behind the scenes. Now, potentially, that is gone, if Ulfric comes right out and attacks the Altmer.