I get the basic things; a lot of Nords in Skyrim have a cultural attachment to the story of Tiber Septim and his equal place to be mentioned in the same breath as the Nine. The Thalmor say worship of Talos is forbidden, which is a harm to religious freedom. I'm not religious, but some people would get mad if that freedom was taken away. I get it.


But what else is really lost by not being able to worship Talos?

- How exactly does one worship Talos? Do you just pray to him? Is just being Talos-like the same thing as worship? How can the Thalmor stop a person from praying in their head or being like he was?

- What virtues/concepts does Talos represent, and what would be taken away if he was removed from the pantheon? Does stopping worship literally destroy those things?

- Are there any holidays that wouldn't be allowed to be celebrated anymore? ...Talos-mas? Would you go to war if Christmas was banned?

- If Talos is a real god, why aren't his people confident that Talos himself would appear and help them? Most of the Divines seem to be about being 'good,' so wouldn't the true faithful NOT go to war? Or is 'good' in Talos' eyes kill those who say he isn't awesome?

- For the other Divines, is it all about praising the deity or just look at them as a set of teachings? Because if any of them are the 'give me constant praise or I'll throw a dragon at your face' types of gods, then I'd want no involvement with them if I lived in this fictional world.


Empasis on fictional world. Please don't get all role-play on me :{o~

If Talos goes away, reality goes away since Talos is the only thing holding reality together at the moment.

What? How, exactly? The Thalmor just want to stop worship. Is worship the only thing keeping Talos alive?

And wasn't there a time before Talos? When the Divines were just called the Eight? Reality existed back then... right?

Talos is very much real. He appeared to the Nerevarine in Morrowind.

Then he should come down and intervene, yo :{o~

Or is that against some sort of rule?

Gods in TES can't directly intervene in wordly affairs, which is why there are people like the shezzarines. As for what is lost?, how about religious freedom.

I know that part. I mean, what else would be lost?

Not exactly. The more Padomic races (Men, etc.) would need to be wiped out to prevent the possibility of another Lorkhan coming up. Plus, there's the towers, which also need to be deactivated.

Mundus. He's keeping the wheel spinning. He achieved CHIM, so I don't know if that affects his power or not. But this is besides the point. What should really be asked is why does it matter what is lost? It's their god. They should be able to worship whoever.

The Thalmor want to erase mankind from existence because of their connection to Lorkham, the one who supposedly caused the elves to lose godhood. As god of man, Talos is the ultimate obstacle between them and achieving that part of the plan to regain it. Putting an end to people's belief in Talos would weaken his influence in the world.

So wait, you're saying that worship is the only thing keeping a god in place?

What a wimp :/

Just think back to when people were killed for being Christian and believing/worshipping Jesus. Jesus=Talos

It's a damn shame he can't intervene because *whatever reason I don't know*.

I'll bet the war, the dragons, and everything else is making people lose faith in the Divines, which by that logic you gave me would weaken their influence on the world--thus making it even more screwed @~@

The Thalmor know Talos is real


To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where
we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity.
When we accomplish this, we can escape
the mockery and long shame of the
Material Prison.
To achieve this goal, we must:
1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic.
His presence fortifies the Wheel of the
Convention, and binds our souls to this
plane.
2) Remove Man not just from the world,
but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that
the very idea of them can be forgotten and
thereby never again repeated.
3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos
removed, the Dragon will become ours to
unbind. The world of mortals will be over.
The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the
stagnancy of linear time and move as Free
Serpent again, moving through the Aether
without measure or burden, spilling time
along the innumerable roads we once
travelled. And with that we will regain the
mantle of the imperishable spirit.

/\ Damn, ninja'd.

I don't know that. Talos isn't like the other gods. He's the strongest being in TES according to MK because of CHIM.

What is CHIM? I've seen it mentioned in "He Who Remains"'s sigs.

That's about the truth of it. Talos is not a wimp though, he was the most powerful dragonborn to ever exist

And a conqueror before achieving godhood.

Two of the most powerful Dragonborns if Wulfharth was one. Was he? I'm not sure.

You got 30 mins and a bucket of aspirin?

I'll try to explain it:

It's the state of being where you understand that you are just a dream of the Godhead, but you do exist. In other words you are everything, nothing and one all at the same time. Once you understand this, you can alter the dream as you see fit. And you become more than a god as others understand it. I'm not sure but I think you need to be in a god like state already to even begin to really understand this, because they see things differently than mortals do.

According to MK and Heimskr's sermon, Talos used his CHIM powers to turn Cyrodiil from a jungle to the way it is in Oblivion.

Dragonborns Dont forget Wulfharth!
well,If he is dragonborn. according to Balgruff he is.

So from what we've seen so far, the Thalmor are working on Step 1. Get rid of worship because, while I still think a god shouldn't need mortals to believe in them to stil be powerful, the rule is that Talos worship is super important for him being as he is.

I'm still curious about other things like the ones in my first post, but that's a big reason to worry about what the Thalmor want to do.

Two questions though:
1.) Are the Thalmor crazy?! They'll destroy themselves along with everything else!

2.) If there is truly THAT much at stake here, how the hell could there be anything more important than protecting Talos worship. If that is the ONE SUPER THING that is the nail keeping everything in existence in place, shouldn't there be less civil war and more 'everyone in the entire planet destroy the Thalmor with the fury of a thousand shaking skooma addicts?

1) They want to "unmake" creation and return the time when all souls were part of the immortal spirits in Aetherius known as et'ada. All of the Aedra and Daedra are et'ada, for example. The general Mer belief is that Lorkhan was a trickster who forced the Aedra to create Mundus through deceit, thus breaking the Elves from the realm of magic that is Aetherius. They want to be unmade and become et'ada again.

2) Most people living in the game universe don't understand, or even know, this metaphysical stuff.

Damn. People in the TES universe need to know this stuff! :{D~

Where is all this metaphysical information, anyway? We have information sites, so what do the people of Tamriel/Nirn/Mundus/whatever have? If you say the elder scrolls, then dammit those Moth Priests should be forcing people into their disciplines. MOAR people must know this crap; all of existence is at stake maaaaan :{U~