I believe it came up during a lore discussion here, without a technical lore source, but I'll see if I can find the thread. Frequently these topics come up without much relation to the actual title of the thread, and the key words might be a tad tricky... I'm confident there were some pretty big lore buffs backing the idea though.



That was one of them, at least, but I distinctly recall a rather complex diagram that also included Anu and Padomay. I think that was the one I was talking about... I believe Proweler might have been the one to post it, but I can't be sure. It was pretty long ago.

You probably mean http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Proweler/Lore/aurbisV.jpg, by Proweler. His http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Proweler/Lore/ (available under "website" in his profile) includes all sorts of great lore-related pictures.

Hmm... I remember that picture, and it is pretty good, but not quite what I was thinking of. Oh well, perhaps we can make a new one sometime.

@Darkom95
That is very interesting and had me thinking. But having Bethesda actually in the lore really kinda kills the whole lore and reminds me that I'm just playing a video game. I like to envision two denizens of Tamriel having a conversation about what we're having. And Bethesda doesn't exist in the TES series as far as in the actual game world and lore.

I see now your point on why Tamriel is more important as far as the mythology of the godhead dreaming there more. But if you were to place yourself on Nirn in the land of Akavir, like, say you were a Tsaesci (vampire snake people) and you were having a very busy and wonderful (or terrible) life, wouldn't you think that Akavir was the most important and not Tamriel?

And I think game mechanics are irrelavant to the Godhead too, but in the sense that if a god is dreaming this universe and a person realizes that they are the universe and everything within it I IS WE ALL ARE or whatever it is, then you would be able to do any and everything in it; change physics, think up new planets, smash Nirn, whatever.... it's all just a dream that the godhead is dreaming, like translucent dreaming. But as we all know, computer technology has no comparison to the human imagination with a pen and paper. As you've just witnessed, it's easier said than done. If the construction set is a display of our powers of the godhead, then it sure is ridiculous that nobody physically climb a ladder since there is no AI or animation for it.
If computer technology was 400 years advanced, the godhead would have more of a variety of control over the dream (according to your terms).

But to me, the godhead and its limits/powers/whatever shouldn't be based off of the development team and what they're capable of creating as far as a universe, because quite frankly, the world they create is utterly pathetic and miniscule when compared to Earth and the solar system and the Milky Way galaxy and everything else in our universe.

So I like to think of the godhead as a concept or state of existence, like what all the et'Ada (daedra & aedra) are, and not Bethesda Studios or ZeniMax corporation.


Man, what's the topic title? Tamriel and Akavir? And here we are talking about the Godhead, the most obscure thing in TES lore. lol boy I went way off on a tangent. Godhead, CHIM, same gobbledygook.


Imagine these two NPCs having a conversation about this:


Cyrus: "Now see here, [censored]-Gro HumBug, the Aurbis was created by a Godhead, and its name is Bethesda Softworks Studios, sponsored and owned by ZeniMax corporation and protected by international copyright laws."

HumBug: "Really? Where is this Bethesda Softworks Studios? Is it in Oblivion or the mantellan crux?"

Cyrus: "Neither, it's in Northern America."

HumBug: "America? Was ist das?"


You get the idea.....

:shrug: Think of it however you want, I was just using that as a kind of metaphor. Canonically, the Godhead is simply an unconsciously dreaming being that created all existence. However, no one in Tes really knows that (save a few crazy or enlightened individuals), so you won't see many people having a "conversation" about him.

Technically you would be right in lore, the Tsaesci still have things going on over there and they do think of themselves as just as important as humans, but metaphysically and fictionally Akavir carries far less importance. Once again you'll have to suspend your suspension of disbelief, as this kind of goes in with the "BATF" rule- which is to say that it technically doesn't exist, but it has an effect on Tes nonetheless. If you want an in-lore reason, just know that since Tamriel is the center, the starry heart, it is more important.



Not technically what I was saying, that is getting even further away from lore than I was. The godhead being the CS is more of a forum joke than any actual lore.



Of course, I wasn't claiming in any way the godhead was limited by the games, only by the imagination of the devs. However, know that the godhead isn't like the other Tes gods, nor is it Bethesda. He is the dreamer who created the universe through his dreams; this has in-lore value as well as out-lore value. In-lore he is the proginetor of all creation; out-lore he is the real creator of the world, being the devs. Since this is an in-lore forum, saying anything in out-lore can only really be used for metaphors like this, and not real lore reasoning.

Ah, well if it was more of a forum joke then that's fine. I guess the Godhead is more like God in Christian religion; creator of everything, always existed, always will, etc....

And everyone, the picture I was talking about was http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/183/wheelcu.jpg; forgot who the author was. And http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1808/lore.jpg was drawn by me, though mine is probably incorrect (where at is the Gray Maybe?). I couldn't make any sense of the one Proweler made http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Proweler/Lore/aurbisV.jpg.

Mundus and Oblivion are coterminous with one another. Oblivion encircles Mundus on the wheel for the sake of visualization. The actual Aurbis might resemble a rod or telescope, with the planes upon or within eachother.


In that sense, yes. In most, no. It's more like Brahman. This is a state the Loveletter speaks of mortals becoming.

No, because you keep trying to invade Tamriel for a reason.



If it's Cyrus, you've got them swapped around. He's more in your line of thinking, too, unless there's profit in it, at which point he'd go, "Hmm, interesting, and so how do I get in?"

That's probably the best way to roll with the lore for the layman, Be Like Cyrus. Admit there's metaphysics, but pay them no attention until they get in your way. But, then, oops, you tend to mantle something the metaphysics has accounted for, like the God of Make Way.