[RELZ] Tamriel Immersion Experience (T.I.E.) V1.27 : IV - Oblivion

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:13 am

Does TIE have a ReadMe online somewhere?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:27 am

I meet them a lot.
I like them a lot.
Why don't they train any skill?
I know that one needs skills to survive out there. And they buy, sell...
So, what is the reason them travelling merchants not to teach basic blade, blunt, mercantile, hand-to-hand and so on?
It seems only logical to me if the big Ork trader teaches me some blunt and the wood elf some archery.
Corepc, can you allow them to teach me what they already know?
Edit: oops! Wrong tread... sorry.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:14 am

Does TIE have a ReadMe online somewhere?

There's http://www.dreamingthepyramid.net/TNR-TIE.html and http://www.dreamingthepyramid.net/TNR-tie-faq.html. There's also a "review" http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionmodreviews/gameplayreview01.
They document some of the changes, but not all of them (as far as I can tell). I'd vote for a more comprehensive one as well.

Strangely, there hasn't been any word on this mod for a while so I'm uncertain where it stands. That is, Veritas hasn't been around the forums, but there are some news on his homepage...

Edit: found an "official" readme http://www.dreamingthepyramid.net/TIEReadMe.html. It still seems to be a work in progress, but we shall see.

I meet them a lot.
I like them a lot.
Why don't they train any skill?
I know that one needs skills to survive out there. And they buy, sell...
So, what is the reason them travelling merchants not to teach basic blade, blunt, mercantile, hand-to-hand and so on?
It seems only logical to me if the big Ork trader teaches me some blunt and the wood elf some archery.
Corepc, can you allow them to teach me what they already know?
Edit: oops! Wrong tread... sorry.

lol

Cheers!

cc

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:20 am

Oh, it only moved...? Thank you.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:07 am

I'm (slowly) working on making a patch for OOO and MMM for TIE, essentially the opposite of TIE4Mods; but I've only just recently started using TIE and I'm not 100% on all the various aspects of TIE (lack of any detailed sort of information is very frustrating in regards to TIE), so would any other entrepreneurial fellow feel like listing out all of the "problems" with merging them? I'll eventually get it all covered regardless (hopefully...) but if I had a list to work through it would be much faster.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:19 pm

@ Arthmoor, Just installed v1.34 of T.I.E - Very impressive mod. Question particularly for you - I remember reading a conversation you had with spooky reference Combat Archery mod but cant find using any search methods - What was the conclusion of using Combat archery combined with TIE, were there any recommended Combat Archery ini settings which made the two mesh more realistically. I think one of the issues was related to damage multiplication IIRC.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:20 pm

@ Arthmoor, Just installed v1.34 of T.I.E - Very impressive mod. Question particularly for you - I remember reading a conversation you had with spooky reference Combat Archery mod but cant find using any search methods - What was the conclusion of using Combat archery combined with TIE, were there any recommended Combat Archery ini settings which made the two mesh more realistically. I think one of the issues was related to damage multiplication IIRC.

Are you sure it was me you talked to about that? I've never used any of the stuff Spooky made.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:33 am

Possible evidence of senile, maybe it was theniceone, aaargh cant remember ... nurse! wheres my pills! :facepalm:

Oh well someone may recall.

Anyway a problem - You are over encumbered - Every time we load a game.

Resolved by dropping one item on the floor, any item, then pick it up again. Values go back to what they were at time of saving and we can carry on.

Slightly annoying and consistently happens for three users here with different games.

Spoiler

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Using obse v0018 stable

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:24 am

Nothing other than what you did will correct it. That's a known engine glitch when item weights are changed. Or in the case of TIE, when your encumbrance limit is lowered as well.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:34 am

So something we have installed is changing weights or PC encumbrance at game start every time, TIE intercepts the adjustment, and dropping one object/picking it up enables TIE to see that in fact we are now not encumbered again. Hmm, I think the only thing that makes game start adjustments all the time is Combat archery, will have a look through the ini and see if theres anything can be turned off to stop this trigger.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:29 am

One more question - What does....
"Better and more lethal Archery: This applies not only to your own equipment, but that of baddies as well. Beware bow equipped Wood Elf bandits..."
Do exactly?
I think this is probably the bit that has concequences using Combat Archery aswell (reference damage that is, not encumbrance), can it be turned off in TIE?

Edit: think I have found the bit I was talking about earlier, it was theniceone talking about FCOM and OOO v Combat Archery (Not TIE O_o, I am sure I have seen a similar conversation ref TIE, maybe an earlier Combat Archery thread, this forum makes things awkward sometimes) - Going to try and see if theniceone's idea of turning off those features affect the encumbrance...
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1074534-relz-duke-patricks-combat-archery-mod/page__view__findpost__p__15722969

Edit2: I think ideally I need to turn off anything TIE does to arrow flight physics and damage multipliers (if thats possible), which will impact on Combat Archery bow sway effects and accuracy and damage multipliers. But turn off whatever is triggering TIE encumbrance in Combat Archery ini.

But would any of that impact on TIE Thief experience (I have fond memories of the game too, especially like the addition of things like gas arrows)

Edit3: Showler has suggested a fix with regards the encumbrance, http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1074534-relz-duke-patricks-combat-archery-mod/page__view__findpost__p__15882416

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:51 am

TIE isn't using scripts to change the limits though, so there's nothing in a script to fix.

For encumbrance, TIE changes the fActorStrengthEncumbranceMult from its default of 5.0 to 3.6. This reduces the weight you're allowed to carry.

fArrowOptimalDistance is set to 1000. Don't know what effect this has on Combat Archery.

fArrowSpeedMult is set to 2600. No idea what the default is because it doesn't show up with an Oblivion.esm FormID.

fArrowMaxDistance is set to 2000. Again, no idea what the default is.

The best way to see what overlaps with Combat Archery is to load it and TIE into TES4Edit and check the Game Settings tree. Then you can make adjustments from there. Some of which can be done with Wrye Bash tweaks, like arrow speed.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:05 am

http://www.dreamingthepyramid.net/TNR-home.html

bliviongate:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:13 pm

Howdy folks,

Is there an "exquisitly mounted eye" associated with this mod, and if so, is it just loot or related to a quest? If the latter, may I have the quest name and start location?

The folks up in spoilers couldn't help me, nor did I find anything in UESP nor the TIE homepage.

Grazzi,
rumbly

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:01 am

If you mean "Exquisitely Jeweled Eye" then yes, it's a loot item added by TIE which can sometimes be found in bandit camp loot. It serves no other purpose than to look cool and be sold for cash. Or put on display like I did when I found one.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:12 pm

If you mean "Exquisitely Jeweled Eye" then yes, it's a loot item added by TIE which can sometimes be found in bandit camp loot. It serves no other purpose than to look cool and be sold for cash. Or put on display like I did when I found one.

That's the one.

Thanks :foodndrink:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:09 pm

I didn't see anything in the introduction about this, but is TIE configurable? There are some parts of the mod I don't really want to use.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:16 am

I didn't see anything in the introduction about this, but is TIE configurable? There are some parts of the mod I don't really want to use.

no, it is not. you have only one single esp file so you should use CS to get rid of things. although you can overwrite TIE with other mods. for example if you don't like the weapon overhaul of TIE you can use MOBS.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:58 pm

no, it is not. you have only one single esp file so you should use CS to get rid of things. although you can overwrite TIE with other mods. for example if you don't like the weapon overhaul of TIE you can use MOBS.

Oh that's too bad. I really like most of the things in this mod, but weapon overhaul is one of the things I don't like using at all.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:57 am

Give this a try: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=28537

It's a standalone version of the MOBS data.

If you're looking to revert back to vanilla weapon stats, no such reversion patch exists for that as there's never been a demand for it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:17 am

Give this a try: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=28537

It's a standalone version of the MOBS data.

If you're looking to revert back to vanilla weapon stats, no such reversion patch exists for that as there's never been a demand for it.

I might jsut go ahead and bite the bullet for the weapon overhauls. Several mods that I want to use have some sort of feature like that.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:23 am

Tried TIE was very impressed with the fun that I could have, but I still missed all the extra stuff from OOO and MMM. the challenge in the tut dungeon is indeed that a challenge, makes you think and use strategies, something you never had to do before.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:18 pm

Tried TIE was very impressed with the fun that I could have, but I still missed all the extra stuff from OOO and MMM. the challenge in the tut dungeon is indeed that a challenge, makes you think and use strategies, something you never had to do before.

IMHO this kind of smart gameplay and the real challange worth much much more than the 100th shiny blade or some new impossible monster

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:46 am

Tried TIE was very impressed with the fun that I could have, but I still missed all the extra stuff from OOO and MMM. the challenge in the tut dungeon is indeed that a challenge, makes you think and use strategies, something you never had to do before.

I think there is a version of TIE that works with MMM, but I'm not sure about OOO. It's TIE4mods or something like that.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:10 pm

I know there's an old TIE4MODS out but I know Core's working on a new version of it, which I'm waiting for.