I was just wondering if there is any mention of relationships not within the same race. I'm guessing that bretons and imperials wouldn't have much trouble creating a child with each other, but can orcs have a child with an imperial? If not, has there been any mention that a member of one race was in a relationship with a member of another. I remember there was a Khajit in Pelagiad that flirted with you regardless of your race, but can't really recall anything else.

The Gray Prince is the offspring of a male Imperial vampire and a female Orc. It is said that mixed races mostly resemble their mother's race, but have some features of their father's race.

I've always wondered what we'd get if we mixed a Khajiit and an Argonian. A scaly cat? Or a furry lizard?

There's Heinrich Oakenhull and his wife Hasathil.
Heinrich Oakenhull is a Nord, and Hasathil is a Wood Elf.

Glistel and Malintus Ancrus may or may not be in a relationship.
Glistel is a Dark Elf, and Malintus Ancrus is a Imperial.

I know that apparently Gogan got seduced by the "Sirens" in Anvil. Gogan is a Redguard, and the "Sirens" were an Imperial, a Nord, and a Khajiit. Although I think he mentioned only the Nord Woman and the Imperial Woman.

There's also the book the "Lusty Argonian Maid" where some... interesting things happen between an Argonian Woman and an Imperial Man.

Soris Arenim is in a relationship with Erissare Arenim, Soris Arenim is a Dark Elf, and Erissare Arenim is a High Elf.

Arnora Auria is an Imperial Woman, who's been in a relationship with a Nord Man named Jorundr.

It happens all the time, but when talking about Glistel and Malintus Ancrus, people say the relationship is odd and they don't like the idea. And when discussing Heinrich's and Hasathil's relationship people will say that they'd rather sleep with their horse, or that they suppose Bosmer Women are less annoying than Bosmer Men.

Varon Vamori admits to having a crush on Ardaline. Varon's a Dark Elf, and Ardaline is a High Elf.

Carmen Litte, who's a Redguard, is married to Alberic Litte, who's a Breton.

So Human & Human relationships and Elf & Elf relationships generally get by without too much "public opinion". But when a Human dates a Wood Elf or a Dark Elf people start to show disgust. I'm guessing High Elves are more likely to not want to date out of their race because their families would probably disapprove. Argonians have said in books that they don't like the "wet skin" of Humans and Mer. And I've never heard of a Khajiit dating outside of their race.

Most of the inter-mixing probably goes on between Elves & Elves and Humans & Humans. But the occasional Elf & Human relationship probably happens every once in a while.

In a word yes

Not sure if this counts as a relationship, but there is mention of Dark Elves and Khajiits.



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In canon, Bretons are a mix of Altmer and Imperial, Nords are essentially just Imperials who adapted to cold climates, and I assume that, like real dark-skinned people, Redguards adapted dark(er) skin due to residing in extreme sun exposure. Meaning all "Human" races are essentially all part of the same species, and can inter-relate.

Elves, are of course, all decedents of the Aldmer and Chimer, which could inter-relate with each other. So no problems there.

Orcs are "Changed" elves, though apparently it has been stated that they can relate with "Human" races.

I doubt, due to physiology, that Khajiit could relate with anything but Khajiit, or that Argonians could relate with anything but Argonians. or at least do so and have children.

Some stuff about the humans:
Imperials are actually Nords. They just live a bit more south, has propably mixed with elves a little more than Nords and some other such stuff.
Nords are propably more "purer" humans and mostly keep to other Nords, though Nords can mix with elves.

Redguards are a sort of human. But they are from Atmora (I think) which is not the same continent as the other humans. I dont know if they can mix with elves or other humans but I think so.

Your getting mixed up with Nords, Redguards come from a continent to the west called Yokuda, which the Redguards "destroyed."

Yeah, forgot to add the obligatory "(I think)" after that

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biology

Lady N's link is a good one.

It's important to note that all Men are related - even the Redguards though they hail from a different continent - so any given Man race can breed with any other. So Redguards, Bretons, Nords, Imperials etc. and any half breed resulting from these unions may breed with any other. All Men races can have viable offspring with all other Men races.

On a similar note all Elves are related - and Orcs are descended from Elves. So any Bosmer, Dunmer, Altmer or Orc. It similarly follows that any union of any combination yields viable offspring.

Men and Elves are related as well and can cross breed, so any of the eight races of people above can breed with any other. This always produced fertile offspring, not sterile ones, meaning the offspring can have its own offspring. This is how the Breton race was formed over long centuries. Their forefathers and foremothers were Aldmer and Nedes. Aldmer for all intents and purposes are the same as Altmer, Nedes for all intents and purposes Nords.

Oblivion introduced the idea the Vampires are fertile and can father or mother children, as the Grey Prince was not only half Orc half Imperial but his father the Imperial had vampirism. This produces a dhampire type person with many of the strengths of a vampire but apparently without sun weakness.

Khajiit are a unique race. They're possibly descended from Elves, probably closely related to Bosmer but something changed their biology. There are different breeds depending on the moon cycles they were born under. Presumably any breed of Khajiit can breed with any other breed but there's no documented cases of a Khajiit breeding with an Elf or Human to my knowledge.

Argonians are even more unique, with no known relationship to either Elves or Men. Presumably they're descended from the Hist and the various body types in their society depend on how many times they've licked the Hist sap. As with Khajiit there are various types but they can all breed together but not presumably with any other race, at least documented.

NOTE that I'm referring to the ability to produce viable offspring, not to become sixually intimate for the sake of pleasure. There are documented cased of Khajiit and Argonians having recreational six with Elves or Humans. Since these races are sapient this is presumably not bestiality or illegal, but at the same time there's no evidence it can produce a child.

At the moment, incompatible. If they theoretically were compatible, if the mom was a khajiit, the resulting child would look as though it were a pure khajiit, and if the mom was an argonian, it'd be an argonian that'd look like a pure argonian.

How bretons came to be was centuries of mix breeding between the nedes (humans) and aldmer (mer). And I stress the centuries part, as the father's traits are VERY subtly added.

Really, I would assume that the fathers traits wouldn't be ENTIRELY without presence, that would make the idea of mammalian reproduction a complete failure of logic. It can be assumed, due to internal and external differences, such as in genetics, Argonians and Khajiit would be incapable of reproducing with Men and Mer.

Remember that Orcs are "Changed" Mer, though it has been proven that they can have viable offspring with men, and, presumably, Mer.

It would be impossible, presuming they all share semi-Mammalian reproduction that Argonians and Khajiits could even conceive a child, and given essentially 41 percent of an offspring's traits are dictated by the father, though many recessive traits are often lost during conception, the resulting abomination would be horrendously disfigured by its fathers traits, as they would not be physically compatible with the mothers traits. Such a child would likely die of genetic incompatibility, if it was even born at all.

The main reason the offspring of men and Mer were noted as mostly retaining the mothers traits is because the main difference between the different races is skin and eye color, and that is usually dependent on the mothers. The reason the offspring of a Dunmer father and Altmer mother would look more like an Altmer is beyond skin and eye color, little is different in the facial and proportional body shape of the two. Occasionally such a child may have the red eyes of a Dunmer, or perhaps darker skin, would be because of some sort of Recessive tendency of the mothers traits that makes the fathers visible.

This is, of course, merely a thesis based off of what I learned in Sophmore biology, and a bit of inference based off of known elder scrolls lore.

This is TES breeding, not real life breeding.


Currently, there have been no records of Khajiit or argonians successfully producing offspring from mer or men,


They're still mer, like the dunmer who were also changed.


Really, do not think TES breeding in real life breeding. As far as you should be concerned, genes are not there, and the mother is almost completely dominant,


It's just mom is dominant, dad is the 1% at best.


Again, real life doesn't work here.

Also known as Blade

Anyway, I think I found out what I needed. Thanks guys, you've been a real help

This kind of topics are an evergreen.
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Anyway, as already stated Mom's the world!
And Cats and lizards don't Mix!

The mentioned trait from the father ( lets take my fav. example Dunmer Female + Human Male :rolleyes: ) will surely be surely something minor like a character trait or a birthmark at most IMO!

If a half-Khajiit were possible, how would the Lunar Lattice apply? An Alfiq born to a non-Khajiit mother would be strange, to say the least. Likewise, were half-Argonians possible, how would Hist tree licking apply? Interbreeding with these species may not be possible simply due to the complexity of their morphological development, rather than anything to do with Tamrielic genetics.

Now for a more interesting thought: half-Sloads.

Yeah or Vampire Hunter D if you want to be old school.

This also supports my hypothesis that vampires are not undead creatures in Tamriel. They're simply afflicted with a disease which is apparently genetic.

The question we never get answered is whether the offspring of a vampire can be cured of vampirism. The Grey Prince dies at the end of the Arena questline. There's no opportunity to cure him or even learn if it's possible. He doesn't seem to suffer from the need to drink blood or from sun damage of any kind however.


He's also notable as the first confirmed half-Orc, having an Imperial father. Before this game it was not known if Orcs and Humans could breed.

I think that the Grey Prince was never EVER really afflicted with vampirism.
Think of it like this:
Your mother has some sort of disease. You were born while she had the disease. This disease then wounded you in some way. But that doesnt mean that you got the disease.
The only change is that this gives good traits instead of bad.

It was just he himself who thought of him as a monster now.
The most normal view on vampires are that they are evil abominations that should be exterminated.
Now think of yourself if you got this view of vampires. Then find out that you are the offspring of a vampire! If The Grey Prince wasnt challenged later I think he would eventually get over it. But as that would propably take a few years and someone who supported him that would take even longer.
And since it is pretty unlikely that you first do the Grey Prince′s quest, then wait a few years in the game, then kill him, this theory is pretty likely.

Yeah... Just saying.

It is implied that he possesses physical abilities far beyond a normal Orc or hybrid.

Owyn says ""Agronak is good, yeah. Too good. He says he's half Orc. What I want to know is: what's the other half? 'Cos it sure ain't human."


It is also said that he's undefeated and that he fights like a wild beast. There are other Orcs in the Arena and none of them are noted to be exceptional in the way he is. I assume what we're supposed to take away from this is that he actually inherited traits of Vampirism from his father.


Whether or not that means he actually has a form of the disease is entirely unknown. What you said is plausible. He could have inherited positive traits without actually having any form of the disease. But we're never really told. The subject is dropped after his death.

Since we see Vampirism progressing when the player gets it, Agronak also brings up the question of when his father, Lord Lovidicus, caught the disease and how far it had changed him. If one assumes that his mother would not have been so attracted to a fully-changed vampire, perhaps Agronak gets off with just a hint of it, enough to boost his strength etc. but not enough to make him sun-sensitive (or he'd have guessed what was up).

I don't think he was fully changed, as the Cyrodiilic go back to looking normal when they recently feed. It's the ones who hold out for some time that end up looking ugly again, and that's probably purposeful too, as their body begins to scream "FEED ME" and transform into a much more ugly vampire, as a way to make them much more deadly and efficient killers in order to get that blood. The ones that recently feed clam down that need to feed , and make it no longer enter the survival mode.

I agree.

It mentions in his journal how after he was locked in the room he started going insane from not feeding. So he must have fed every once in a while before then, it also mentions she had no knowledge of his "Dark Gift" as he called it. She found out, locked him in the room saying she was taking the baby away, and ran.

Springheel Jak, Janus Hassildor, and that altmer vampire in that one quest also look to have a healthy supply of blood, as they're pretty integrated in society...well for the most part, and not fugly.