wait, so when map 3 and later ones are released, im gonna need to download and use the MCP?

...thats morrowind code patch, right? think thats what someone told me... it shrinks the map a bit so the TR maps fit on it, correct? well, im hoping the TR team link to it with their map releases, so i dont forget about that...

You already need MCP. That is, if you want the added regions of TR Map 1 & 2 to show up on the ingame map.

Even if you're not using TR you should be using the MCP for all the other things it fixes.

The MCP is pretty close to an "essential", in my eyes. The map is only one of about a dozen major things that it fixes, plus a number of minor problems. They're all individually selectable from the installation menu, in case you happen to like some of the "bugs".

TR Maps 1 and 2 are quite playable and enjoyable as they stand, although I had hoped that many of the minor (mostly trivial) bugfixes for Map 1 would have been incorporated into the new release. It makes bug-hunting for sport far more difficult, since I'm having trouble sorting through the lists to see if it's already reported or if I'm seeing a fresh one.

Here's some really, ridiculously minor nitpicks that I noticed whilst looking at the signs in TR. I'm not sure if all of these are mistakes, or whether they're intentional for non-obvious reasons, so it'd be good if I could get some info on that (it'll help me with the new version of Signy Signposts(!): TR)
These are all issues that I noticed when I loaded TR_data.esm, TR_Map1.esm and TR_Map2.esm into the CS.

TR_M2s6_act_sign_alt refers to Alt Bosara as "Alt'Bosara", whilst all other signs refer to Alt Bosara as just "Alt Bosara".
TR_active_sign_Dragon_Glade refers to a place called Dragon Glade as "Dragon_Glade", wouldn't "Dragon Glade" be nicer? I'm thinking that the underscore is probably not wanted.
There's an instance of TR_active_sign_Darconis which still refers to Helnim as Darconis, even though it has been renamed to Helnim now. Is this on purpose?
Similarly, there's an instance of TR_M2s6_act_sign_gah which refers to Llothis as Gah Ouadaruhn, even though that town has been renamed Llothis now.
I'm not sure on this one, but there's an object TR_m2_mys_activesign_2-34_03 which has the text "Att Bosara" - there aren't actually any references of this object ingame, so it's not really a problem, but is this supposed to read "Alt Bosara", or is the "Att" intentional? Should I create a sign for a place called "Att Bosara"? :unsure:

Also, there's only four uses of active_signpost_02.nif in the TR mods - all on a single signpost in the Boethian Mountains Region. I was wondering if there was a particular reason that the use of this mesh has been avoided, and why it was used only in that particular place? In the vanilla game, this mesh variant is used for signposts close to settlements, whilst active_signpost_01.nif was used for signposts out in the middle of nowhere (which is most of them ).
I'll probably be changing the signs to match the vanilla usage in my Signy Signposts(!): TR .esp, but I was wondering if there was a particular reason that these four signposts are using that mesh, so as I can preserve that usage if appropriate.

Thanks a lot.

A question: I am playing currently with TR maps 1 and 2, and there are a whooooolle bunch of badly placed statics/flora in Map 1. Did I somehow manage to use a wrong version, or should they be reported to be fixed? I *think* I installed TR map 1, then map 2, but I'm not certain.

The most recent (ie, what you should play with) is Map 2, and the Map 1 that comes with it. Ignore the older, stand-alone version of Map 1.
But, there is still floating objects and mistakes to be found. You can report them to the TR team if you like, but almost all of them have been reported already.
The release of Mao 3 should fix all these mistakes that were missed.

lone star. what is this thy speaks of , a stand alone mod? Do I not have to download TR 1,2, and 3? Enlighten me please. Pardon my ignorance I am only a lowly acolyte.

Disregard. Got it all figured out. Was putting the line in the wrong place. :facepalm:

Unfortunately, most of the known minor bugs for Map1 weren't corrected before the map was bundled with Map2, so we're still seeing the same several hundred flying wickwheat and rocks that have been there since the first quested beta was unveiled last year. Several serious Map1 quest problems were taken care of for the initial Map2 release (or in one case, temporarily removed pending rework), but all the little stuff remains. I'm hoping that someone has volunteered to take on the bulk of that dull and repetitive "repair" work, and would have offered to help out with some of it if my own modding skills weren't so limited, but we're all probably better off if I just document them for someone else.

All world errors reported on our forums have been fixed in the latest internal versions, so the next version of our currently-released content should have them all fixed. If, in that version, they still persist, by all means report anything we missed or looked over.

I have a bunch of mods, and I'm not sure which one is conflicting with TR map 2 - the entire second map isn't showing up. Is there a list of known conflicts somewhere, or should I post my list of mods?

EDIT: http://ow.ly/i/4oD/original showing the missing TR Map 2 and Annastia in the far left. Off screen is Silgrad Tower, which I'm unloading for my next game, but that shouldn't conflict with it, surely? AFAIK none of my other mods modify or add landmasses or water areas.

And here is the modlist

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I thought that's what map 2 looks like.

Yes it is, you're not missing anything. That line is where map 2 ends and map 3 starts.

Contrary to the most previous posts; that is the southern border of Antediluvian Secrets you see, and Sacred East, once released, will be located attached directly to the bottom of the current landmass' southern edge.

*facepalm*
I could have sworn that Map1 was that big.

Thanks guys, next time I have a problem I will check the other map first...

I have a question: Will Tamriel Rebuilt be using models such as the Better Clothing models for their clothing eventually, or would you support an add-on like "Better Clothes for TR" or "Herbalism for TR" or "Better Robes for TR"?

I just noticed the difference as I journeyed about the mainland, is all

All TR's official releases will be made to fit in with the vanilla game, as all mods are down to taste. However, others (including our own members) can feel free to release mods for the TR landmasses to change them to their liking. Herbalism for TR already exists, and can be found at: http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7211

wait a minute... reading coleman's post on page 1... theres a main quest for TR?

the tamriel rebuilt team is actually creating their own main quest?

where is this interview he mentioned? i wanna see it!

TR's Telvannis area, or all the lands controlled by the Telvanni will include a sort of mini main quest, in that there is a double-sided House Telvanni/Imperial Legion quest line that runs very in-depth. It is not a main quest, and was mistakenly branded a main quest years ago, something we've been unable to shake off, unfortunately.

oh, ok... so its basically just a large quest that has more substance than usual quests, but not quite as much as a main quest... still sounds pretty cool, i look forward to it.

thanks for clearing it up, though.

Is there an ETA on map 3? I've been waiting for it before starting TR.
Obviously an exact release hasn't been determined, but are we looking at or more less than say 6 months?

Sacred East, like the other parts of our project, will be done when it's done. We can't put even a general ETA on it, because we don't know how many people will be working on it, or how fast they will work, or whether they will suddenly die of a heart attack in the midst of working without posting WIP files, etc. Sacred East is mostly in the final land reviewing stages, though. The next, fast-approaching step is NPC/dialogue creation as well as leveled-list placement, for an idea of where we are, progress-wise.

From the TR website I understand that the entire original 6 map system has now been changed into 8 theme-based maps, and hence "Map 3" no longer exists per se.

As the "The Sacred East" release no longer includes Almalexia or Old Ebonheart and is a great deal smaller, has this significantly reduced the expected amount of work before "The Sacred East" will be completed?

Yes, although Sacred East (no "The" in the title) already had Old Ebonheart and its respective column of 4-5 cells removed from it before the current release guidelines were drawn up.