Technological Advances.. : V - Skyrim

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:13 am

our world dosent work like Nirn.. they have magic we don't.. Necessity is the mother of invention.. we invited cannons because we needed to be able to take down naval ships in the ocean and a cannon was a naval ships only weapon back in the day.. why would Nirn need cannon's when everyone can shoot a lightning bolt from their hands or bring down a fire storm on a house..there is no need for advances so thier won't be any

I agree with you, except your logic backfired. Your reason as to why they don't have cannons is because they don't need them to take down naval ships, which is why we did that in the real world, when you say that "our world doesn't work like Nirn".

That said, I agree. I hope there are no tech advancements in Skyrim.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:35 am

I agree with you, except your logic backfired. Your reason as to why they don't have cannons is because they don't need them to take down naval ships, which is why we did that in the real world, when you say that "our world doesn't work like Nirn".

That said, I agree. I hope there are no tech advancements in Skyrim.

my bad i said that backwards

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:46 am

Laser cannons and nukes!

Oh wait. Wrong forum.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:30 am

I agree with you, except your logic backfired. Your reason as to why they don't have cannons is because they don't need them to take down naval ships, which is why we did that in the real world, when you say that "our world doesn't work like Nirn".

That said, I agree. I hope there are no tech advancements in Skyrim.

Only the goal was not to sink enemy ships. They actually wanted to take them intact so that they could re-use them for their own navies. But it sure was a lot easier to pound them into submission at range than it was to do it the old-fashioned way.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:30 am

I'd like to see a faction which has begun to recover some Dwemer technological knowledge.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:10 am

I agree with you, except your logic backfired. Your reason as to why they don't have cannons is because they don't need them to take down naval ships, which is why we did that in the real world, when you say that "our world doesn't work like Nirn".

That said, I agree. I hope there are no tech advancements in Skyrim.

Actually...Redguards have been using cannons for a while now. All that magic is evil and what not. I think there are magical varrients of cannons in Summerset Isles as well.

Here's hoping a mage with a head on his shoulders figures out that looking down a staff's "barrel" would allow you to be more acturate than just fireing from the hip. Especially now that our cross-hair is gone from the hud. Just one two handed staff...just one is all I need to feel that there was some growth in intellect.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:15 pm

I was pondering on this for a while, and I was thinking after 200 years shouldn't Tamriel be like in terms of technology.. Advancing? Every Civilisation evolves we see it now, sure I don't want The Elder Scrolls 7 being in like a modern day New York style setting, but should we start to see more advances on for instance steam power? Perhaps see more modernised things, like agriculture, the way they harvest crops perhaps they have invented ways to improve crop harvest, I mean it would make a lot more sense if we seen it slowly start advancing technologically, agriculturally, and perhaps economically(Something I doubt we'd know for a while after all the game is set during Civil War), but mentioning the Civil War, advances on Warfare, the improved use of Cannons during war (If I recall one was in a Elder Scrolls game before). Also I'd expect cities, most definitely the capital of Skyrim being more advanced in terms of Architecture.. Perhaps some person has discovered a way of using Dwarven technology for example.

I don't expect major changes like cars, robot arms and what not, but if the game is jumping 200 years, I'd like to see at least some advances as it does seem rather strange that a whole continent was at complete stand-still for two centuries.. Besides the whole infernal city thing killing everyone.lol But it would be nice to see at least some advances just to show us.. A lot has changed since we last ventured in Tamriel.. Perhaps changes in Fashion, people finding new ways to battle the cold perhaps?

I'd like to hear you views.

There are stone tools carbon-dated to 2.5 million years ago. Adobe buildings and agriculture are evident 12000 years ago. The Industrial Revolution started about 250 years ago. Actual history may seem wrong and "at a stand-still" to many people on the forum (and the ever-repeating posts), but that's the way it is. Look at Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. It took Europe a lot more than 200 years just to get back to square one (more like 1200 - 1500).

And when you consider that there's significantly less reason to invest in technology in Tamriel then on Earth (magic), and that the greatest minds are more likely to be investigating magic than science (with the exception of the Dwemer), there's no reason to think 200 or 2000 years would show a lot of technological advancement.

If you're talking changes in fashion and culture, sure, there should be some changes. But NO on the technology. It doesn't fit, and it doesn't make sense. Considering the fall of the Empire, technological regression is what makes sense.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:47 am

Cannons are used more then to take down naval ships, in fact cannons was invented when gunpowder was first discovered which the earliest known formula being from 1044 AD, in fact they even made early types of hand guns with the newly found gunpowder, the Islamic world then also went on to make cannons, and as far as my Elder Scrolls knowledge goes, Tamriel does have gunpowder in a sense, I do also recall seeing Cannons in Redguard, although I feel that my memory may be failing me in seeing that cannon.lol

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:11 am

actually I don't think MAGIC (you know, like fallouts SCIENCE!) really equates to the death of technological advances,

in nirn you can walk on water..but there are ships and vaste naval forces.

you can teleport in the blink of an eye, but there are travel services.

you can accelerate food growth and end Tamrielic Hunger, but people still farm and irrigate their lands.

you can heal alements with magical forces, but alchemical and herbal apocrathies(sp) still exist and are flourishing. and for thousands of years no noticable advancement has been stated magical or otherwise, the realm is stagnant...hell the Dwemer where the pinnacle of magic and science but they still used airships, if there ever were to be a renewal it would have happened already and I think the collective knowlegde about what happened to the Dwemer is staunching this because what the Dwemer were doing, WAS the future and they went poof :shrug:

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:30 am

you can heal alements with magical forces, but alchemical and herbal apocrathies(sp) still exist and are flourishing. and for thousands of years no noticable advancement has been stated magical or otherwise, the realm is stagnant...hell the Dwemer where the pinnacle of magic and science but they still used airships, if there ever were to be a renewal it would have happened already and I think the collective knowlegde about what happened to the Dwemer is staunching this because what the Dwemer were doing, WAS the future and they went poof :shrug:

Yeah but weren't the Dwemer hated because of their technological advancements, and the Dunmer wanted them to only use magic like everyone else? That right there shows you the technology is stagnant.

Also, I was talking about cannons because that is what dirishman was talking about as an example, I wasn't saying they weren't in the TES universe, although I didn't know they were.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:48 pm

Actually...Redguards have been using cannons for a while now. All that magic is evil and what not. I think there are magical varrients of cannons in Summerset Isles as well.

Here's hoping a mage with a head on his shoulders figures out that looking down a staff's "barrel" would allow you to be more acturate than just fireing from the hip. Especially now that our cross-hair is gone from the hud. Just one two handed staff...just one is all I need to feel that there was some growth in intellect.

wait the crosshair is gone?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:48 am

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1172685-pre-modern-crude-explosives/: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire

and

Repeating Crossbows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_crossbow

^would both be fine for me. These kind of advancements are the kind that would happen in time of war. maybe further technological advancements should happen in future titles.

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» Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:15 am

TES strikes me as a world in decline, really. Ruling families dying out, mountains exploding, civil wars, repeated invasions by monsters out of prophecy..... that's not a great recipe for a golden age of technological development.

(Don't know much of the lore of the Dwemer..... did their playing with techy things and then dying off, lead to an anti-tech attitude among the other cultures?)

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:53 pm

TES strikes me as a world in decline, really. Ruling families dying out, mountains exploding, civil wars, repeated invasions by monsters out of prophecy..... that's not a great recipe for a golden age of technological development.

(Don't know much of the lore of the Dwemer..... did their playing with techy things and then dying off, lead to an anti-tech attitude among the other cultures?)

This culture, often seen as sheer arrogance by the other peoples of Tamriel, allowed their technological capabilities to accelerate well ahead of any other race. Old machine parts—–such as gears, cogs, shafts, and nuts—–are also found within their hallways, many of which are still running. However, the Dwemer also appear to have dabbled extensively and somewhat successfully in some of the more divine (or arcane) arts and sought to harness the supernatural powers of the Divines within their mechanical technology. In fact, there exists within Tamriel a school of thought which holds that it was precisely this knowledge, and the arrogance that accompanied it, that ultimately led to the demise of the Dwemer race.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:24 pm

FOR THE LOVE OF AZURA! This isn't goddamned Fable or some other lesser RPG. In case you haven't noticed, you wield 1,000 year old weaponry in TES universe. Dwemer weaponry and armor are a perfect example of this. And I better not need to explain why it's a great example. I'm not righting a damned essay here. Yes, Skyrim will have windmills, but that will probably be the only example of technological advancement in the game. TES is three-pronged: Magic, Combat, and Stealth. You're asking Bethesda to add a whole nother structural branch to the gameplay. It's kinda late for that, ain't it.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:53 am

i would like to see some technological advances, but it's highly unlikely. bows and arrows have been around since a long time before BC. we did not start using guns till like the 17 century...
sure the elder scrolls world is not REAL like ours, but if you look at the technology in oblivion, if u add 200 years you won't be much better technologically. technology takes time to develop, especially in a time period where they still use bows, arrows, magic, and i don't believe they even had used STEAM power yet in oblivion?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:24 am

i would like to see some technological advances, but it's highly unlikely. bows and arrows have been around since a long time before BC. we did not start using guns till like the 17 century...
sure the elder scrolls world is not REAL like ours, but if you look at the technology in oblivion, if u add 200 years you won't be much better technologically. technology takes time to develop, especially in a time period where they still use bows, arrows, magic, and i don't believe they even had used STEAM power yet in oblivion?

actually there are instances of Steam power...both in Dwemer (DUH lol) and for some reason the Hist sap extraction machine in Oblivion.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:59 pm

i would like to see some technological advances, but it's highly unlikely. bows and arrows have been around since a long time before BC. we did not start using guns till like the 17 century...
sure the elder scrolls world is not REAL like ours, but if you look at the technology in oblivion, if u add 200 years you won't be much better technologically. technology takes time to develop, especially in a time period where they still use bows, arrows, magic, and i don't believe they even had used STEAM power yet in oblivion?

The Chinese used guns in the 1000's and they started using them in Europe in the 1300's. I know you aren't an expert on the subjuect but it's one of my pet peves when poeple think guns where invented in the 17 century or later. The golden age of pirates started in the 1500's and guns ended the use of knights in 1400's. Also there was steam power in OB. Do the Hist sap quest of the fighters guild.

FOR THE LOVE OF AZURA! This isn't goddamned Fable or some other lesser RPG. In case you haven't noticed, you wield 1,000 year old weaponry in TES universe. Dwemer weaponry and armor are a perfect example of this. And I better not need to explain why it's a great example. I'm not righting a damned essay here. Yes, Skyrim will have windmills, but that will probably be the only example of technological advancement in the game. TES is three-pronged: Magic, Combat, and Stealth. You're asking Bethesda to add a whole nother structural branch to the gameplay. It's kinda late for that, ain't it.

He's not asking them to change the gameplay. He's asking the highly logical question of why the people in TES have had the same technology for thousands of years.

Here's my opinion on this subject. Yes it does make senses that technology would advance, but it doesn't. There are a lot of lore related reasons why it doesn't, but the main reason is simply that people, and the developers, want a game that is medieval like. So they will never have huge technological advancements in TES, because they don't want it that way. They should depict small advandments and such, but nothing major. Even if it makes sense to have major advancements. I think most people want it that way. (I do think they should have cannons someday in TES though.)

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:44 am

well there will probably be better forging techniques and mettalurgy and i dont know if you could exactly refer to it as a "technological advancement" but maybe some mage will figure out a new enchantment method that doesnt require souls or maybe even figure out a new spell effect

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:42 am

there will be technological advancements but they will likely involve new forging or construction techniques and if you can call it technology mages will figure out better applications for there magic like how the dwemer used enchantments to create machines forgive me if this sounds exactly like my last post but i dont want to see this thread die because peoples minds go straight to guns and other non TES stuff

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:16 am

If Skyrim is the equivalent of Norway anno 1400, then Oblivion is Rome, 1200 AD - which makes perfect sense.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:50 am

Perhaps with the Civil war we could see some technology drops as well? I'd also like to see economically some differences, I mean with the empire fallen and everything else going to pot, perhaps we will see Solitude being in economic decline as it is one of the most richest and influential counties in Skyrim so it would be nice to see things altering but it would be nice to see..

Also I want to change the title now to perhaps "Technological Changes...And other changes.." So it takes into account drops as well as advances..

Wars usually seem to do the difference. For example, WWII pretty much evolved our tech by far because people finally had the motivation to do it because it was either have good tech or die.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:28 am

No. our humble tamriel folks are busy in magic studying to give any considerable thought about technology. I wouldnt mind tho that magic will evolve

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:14 am

I remember reading that the Greeks invented steam power/engines somewhere around http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile. Why didn't they develop this technology? They had slave labor, and it wasn't necessary. The Elder Scrolls universe has magic -- why spend time working on a machine when you could cast a spell and get much the same result? Thinking about, the intelligentsia of the Elder Scrolls are more likely to join the mages, and less likely to spend their time developing something non-magical.

Edit for spelling and link.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:12 am

The Dev's are using viking resources to create Skyrim. So, I think technology will be viking era too. Catapults are probably the most advanced. Unless using Dwarven or Elven technology.