I think that by what we have seen smaller creatures on land turn into, it isnt far featched to think that a 20ft long 2500lb Great White has turned into something horrible.

Giant squids and octopuses are crazy looking enough now. Imagine what they may have become.

Creatures or the ocean are already really big mutation of sea creatures would be really scary.

This being said mens men would still brave the oceans to get to other parts of the world.

Too bad Bethesda gave us the shaft on this one.

Umm bud, the wasp that the cazadores are based on aren't giant monsters that can pierce metal armor. Deathclaws don't exist in real life either. Neither do nightstalkers. So your post is untenable as creatures already in Fallout Universe are pretty unnatural.

Holy [censored]!!!!!!! I bet the guy fishing [censored] his pants when that thing burst out of the water lol You know he was probably not fishing for that. lol

Well to his defense even though I disagree with his over all statment, nightstalkers are man made. I m pretty sure deathclaws are. (I ll have to check) Even mole rats were man made for the possible use in war.

Yeah it says deathclaws were created pre war to replace humans in high risk cqc search and destroy missions. lol

I d hate be is some military squad and have some deathclaws roll up.

Just say'n. FEV apparently does real quirky stuff with genetic code. Sure, most of the more dangerous creatures were designed, but the rad-scorpion wasn't. Nor were the giant ants (fire ants though...)

Sea monster debate eh?

Thing is all that radation would have killed off all the plankton which pretty much screws the food chain in the oceans. It goes, so does everything else. "The Earth was nearly wiped clean of life." Super huge creatures would have nothing to eat. Over 200 years plankton could have made a comeback but I am sure the oceans are just as lifeless as the wastelands (not much biodiversity).

Now if you factor in pre-war oceans. I am betting they were already pretty lifeless. World runnig out of resoucres and I am sure that included food. The Oceans would have been scraqed clean of anything we can eat. We have well over 6 billion people now and the Oceans arn't doing so well. Pulls in the Fallout Universe people were not that caring about the enviroment. At least with the United States.

Life would still live around volcanic vents but everything.

Styles good logical point, but lets "put our imaginations to work" here and say the plankton got mutated too.

Throws reality right out the window. Now we ve got mutated sea creatures feeding on other mutated sea creatures that feed off of other mutared sea creatures that feed off of other mutated sea creatures that feed off of mutated plankton. See how that works?

Betheda and Obsidian should just hire me to " imagine" and "speculate" for them when they get tired. I ll cover all the bases for them. I ll be like BASF for fo I won t make thier products for them I ll just make their product better.

as for the "sea monsters" debate.. there were orginally supposed to be sea monsters in Lake Mead (in the VB design docs). So the writers have already thought of it. Couldn't pull it off in New Vegas, probably engine limitations, but doesn't mean its off the cards entirely.

Even though trhey don't exist in real life most of these creatures do have logical reasons for their existance. For example the NightStalkers were made by crossing Coyote and Rattlesnake DNA and I think Deathclaws were experimented on by the Enclave to make them intelligent and also capable of fighting alongside the Enclave

Lake Monsters. You are right giant leeches where to be in Van Buren and I am also guessing it has something to do with the engine. Lake Mead was to be very different in VB. I am all for small "sea monsters" but nothing huge like a blue whale.

Yeah small sea monsters nothing that would need a nuke to die, but would it not be cool to here stories of them from old fishermen and stuff like that :hubbahubba:

i think considering we know more about mars than our oceans, it could go either way.. i could definately see life in the upper sea layersq getting jacked up.
but we also dont know if that plankton was conditioned by SCIENCE! to survive.

I do agree that the resource wars would have taken a toll, given there would be oil drilling and possibly deep sea mining everywehre.
Things like GECKs were around though, so maybe ther was some bioengineering going on to sustain the oceans life.


I do wonder how much radioation would make it into deeper waters, givne waters ability to diffuse radioactivity.

We also dont know FEV's potency in large bodies of water.. how soon it would dispurse, how little it would take to effect the sealife.

big differneces in land and sea, so i think we should err on the side fo caution before just aassuming that there woudl eithr be no life in the ocean, or we say that because there are monsters on land, there must be in the oceans as well



Regardless of monsters being there or not, I still think people would try to make it across large bodies of water.
early explorers were of the notion that if they got too far, they would fall off the edge of the world.
they still planned on long journeys that could take them to the point of no return.

Yeah the vikings traveld on the oceans a lot even though they thought there where huge sea monsters around, people will do what they need to no matter the risk

My prediction is this, Tenpenny is a very wealthy man, he most likely was wealthy to begin with, so getting a transport across post apocalyptic waters isn't too far fetched, he has the caps, so I am sure SOMEONE is willing to take him across. But then again, I could be wrong, he could have just made himself some sort of boat and sailed across by himself.

I think he was rich when in england but something big like a change in govournance or leadership happened and he fell on the wrong end of it.

England was warlike mess but had more remnants of the former way of things than america.

Warring warlords being a feature.

He crossed a warlord and they came to power and he had to get out.

Rich in a not comepletely nice or legal way. Mostly inherited.

So he got all his stuff he could and left on a large ship for the wasteland of america.

He found Tenpenny Tower and did it up and made it what it is now.

And got a lot richer.

I think they should have put more back story in for Alistair Tenpenny. It was wrong to put the small ammount they did.

Tobar mentions the Duchess Gambit cannot sail anywhere but the coast and Point Lookout now, because she is too old and there are too many critters waiting to take a bite out of her. Critters big enough to take a bite out of a entire boat.

The Duchess Gambit sailed to the Commonwealth and other places once.

So there is life in the seas.
There is not reason why there would not be.

I have accepted that fact, all Im saying is they dont like to eat tin cans.



This is true, but again those are enemies in a game, a pack of wolves could easily kill me, but when Im in the woods walking by do they, no. Becasue tehy want to eat deer.

So giant fish eat other giant fish they dont eat aircraft carriers or canoes.



That is a figurative term, meaning there are beasties who would like to attack it, not literally take a bite out of it, although it is possible.

the dutchess gambit is a riverboat.
rigth now, i wouldnt take one of those into offshore ocean waters.
its not built for that kind of travel.

Mirelurk would take a bite out of it. Or some other creature that is both http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Tactics_2 "Take a bite" to me does not mean something that can eat a boat in one bite or even half of a boat.

Doesn't the same go for like all the creatures in Fallout? Why does scorpions, cockroaches, flies, wasps et cetera, attack you? They don't attack you unless provoked and/or cornered when in their normal size in real life, but in this fictional universe where they are ten times bigger they do. So why not? Imagine a huge sea monster attacking you and your crew and your POS boat. Imagine a huge whale, maybe its baleens has mutated into sharp teeth, maybe it attack your boat because it's hungry, because there really is a lack of food in the ocean, because its sonar says there is something big ahead that he doesn't recognize but it may be edible so he takes a chew and people falling in that he can eat is a nice bonus.

Then as an easter egg, maybe there is a white whale even.

They attack you cause its a game, it'd be boring if you just walked by every Yaoi Guai like you could to a bear.

I'm not saying they would nto attack boats, as large Great WHites do occassionally, but if you could just go out and fight sea monsters every ten seconds I'd be pissed.

I do like the rigid air ship idea though.

That's what I mean, it's a game. Even though I like how they did the Bighorners, being defensive if you get near and attack if you get too near or provoke them. But creatures should be hostile for the fun of killing them.
But giant sea monsters... you should be able to kill them every ten seconds. There wouldn't be that many. You would probably never be at sea that much to face the dangers, anyways.
I'd just imagine being out on the open water on a boat in a bad shape, in the mist, and see the silhouette of something huge in the distance. Maybe the boat begins to rock a little from the waves this huge thing caused when it emerged and dove off again. It probably won't attack, just there to scare you. But there maybe is a 10% chance it does take a bite out of your boat. Maybe you've been cooking, and threw some food from the kitchen overboard, maybe the sound of the engine attracts the beast. Anyways, it would be very rare, and even rarer for it to attack.

That is, if it was ingame.

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Extinct. They probably were by the time of the war, and there is a limit as to how big creatures can get and still be able to sustain themselves, especially in what must be pretty dead oceans.