Teori on Divayth Fyr

Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:35 pm

Ye old allmight wizard Divayth Fyr is researching and helping corpus victims, why?
As well all know(most of us) Corpus is a disese that turns the victim into a living zombie, and once reached complete corpus their gone and its only a Zombie left.
But why on earth does then a allmight and powerfull Wizard who are capabel of creating clones of himself using the X-cromosone and implent it as a different gender with other anatomical traits? I mean:
*He is older than the empire
*Could likely beat the entire Telvanni council in 1 big battle
*Got a reputation that will grant him acces to the empires bedchamber in the middle of the night, even it the emperor is not there.
But looking over this and lore a bit more i think i know the awser.
What reason does that old wizard have to take in corpus victims with open arms? Its may sound against logic when saying it.
As the old man Divayth Fyr is, he is starting to get afriad of death. I mean, he is over 4000 years and still ageing. He might die at some point, someting he does not want. Neither of the Deadra is willing to grant him immortalety, he might lose the controll over the spell he using to stop aging, he has not found a fountain of youth.
And what does corpus do:
*Immune to disease
*You stop aging
*Make you crasy
*Heavy Deformations

When he cured Nenevarine he also tested it on 3-4 others at the same corpus stage, why? It cured Nevevarine of the corpus problems, but he kept the beenfits of it: No aging and immune to disease. If it had worked on the others and they would still keep the posetiv parts he would experiment on with several more corpus victims with the cure to find the exact stage it worked. And the chance of succes.
Then when the succes rate was high enogh, he would ask all of his daughters to give him the cure at that exact stage of corpus and then get infected.
At that stage they would force him to take the cure if he had already went nuts, and after being cured he would ascend to a immortal being.
Immortal, free of age and disease. Forget cancer, STD, and everything else. He would the move on the the next subject on his list: Getting young again(if he felt like it).

And that is my teori.
-del_diablo
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Sharra Llenos
 
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:11 pm

sounds like fun :)
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:50 pm

First of all:

http://www.getfirefox.net/ <- It has a build in spellchecker.

What reason does that old wizard have to take in corpus victims with open arms?


Because 4000 year old wizards need a hobby and he says as much in his dialogue. He wasn't researching corpus to learn how he might extend his live. By the time corpus came around he was well past 3000 years old.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:38 pm

For the sake of silliness, Fyr could not beat the whole Telvanni council in "one big battle." Power takes many forms, some of which seem to go beyond your understanding.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:56 am

For the sake of silliness, Fyr could not beat the whole Telvanni council in "one big battle." Power takes many forms, some of which seem to go beyond your understanding.



I dunno... He can take down Gaenor pretty nicely, and last I checked, the other councellors were FAR easier to bump off.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:10 am

Logical theory. I dont buy it. For reasons already mentioned.

And take down Gaenor and or the entire Telvanni council... thats a bit out of belieavable. He is still a mortal. One wizard against that many... odds dont look good for him. :shrug:
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:03 pm

Logical theory. I dont buy it. For reasons already mentioned.

And take down Gaenor and or the entire Telvanni council... thats a bit out of belieavable. He is still a mortal. One wizard against that many... odds dont look good for him. :shrug:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCLNAmM9mZo

The other councellors are cupcakes in comparison to Gaenor.

There was a royal rumble experiment where Gaenor was pitted against everyone else of significance in the game, and with the exception of helseth, (Fyr was equipped with the stock letter opener) Gaenor beat everyone.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:19 am

Indeed even tho he's one of the mightiest wizards known on Nirn the chances that he would survive with his sanity after a big battle against the Council of Telvanni is rather low.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCLNAmM9mZo

The other councellors are cupcakes in comparison to Gaenor.

There was a royal rumble experiment where Gaenor was pitted against everyone else of significance in the game, and with the exception of helseth, (Fyr was equipped with the stock letter opener) Gaenor beat everyone.
Game mechanics, different weapons... My point was that if that was real life(in their world) battle, Fyr would be dead faster or get whooped badly by that Bosmer trash. Spellcaster rely on spells. Fyr is mortal. Bosmer trash has Reflect. And Reflect kills mortals FAST. And realistically, no one can take that many blows with a sword and still stand after 3 minutes. No way would he survive that brawl, especially against the top Telvanni mages with nasty spells.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:53 am

I dunno... He can take down Gaenor pretty nicely, and last I checked, the other councellors were FAR easier to bump off.


Yes, but you know that in-game evidence, however compelling, doesn't count in the lore forum! :P
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:20 pm

No problem - just give Div the summon Fargoth spell! The others would be so busy trying to kill Fargoth and inexplicably falling over - hitting each other, missing totally etc that Div would have no problem finishing them all off - provided he was able to resist the temptaion to kill Fargoth himself!
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:44 am

What i mean with Fyr killing the Telvanni council is that he COULD beat them in battle, his knowledge about magic is superior to theirs and his magicka is indeed great. But as in all battles, he could lose too.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:09 pm

Indeed even tho he's one of the mightiest wizards known on Nirn the chances that he would survive with his sanity after a big battle against the Council of Telvanni is rather low.


That does make the slightly aggressive assumption that the Telvanni Council would actually unite against Fyr, or at least act in something other than their individual interests (and in the case of Mistress Therana, actually understand that her interests are involved). Fyr against the divided-as-usual Telvanni Council, or against even an alliance of Aryon and Baladas, is not so one-sided against the old Psijic.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:20 pm

What i mean with Fyr killing the Telvanni council is that he COULD beat them in battle, his knowledge about magic is superior to theirs and his magicka is indeed great. But as in all battles, he could lose too.


What does that mean, anyway?
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:00 am

*Got a reputation that will grant him acces to the empires bedchamber in the middle of the night, even it the emperor is not there.

"Oh, Uriel, do you come here often?"

"This is my bedchamber! I come here every night, Divayth. Sometimes several times a night."

"Oh, heavens! Studying a swelling, bulbous affliction has made me all hot!"

"Let me show you my sceptre!"
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:52 pm

"Oh, Uriel, do you come here often?"

"This is my bedchamber! I come here every night, Divayth. Sometimes several times a night."

"Oh, heavens! Studying a swelling, bulbous affliction has made me all hot!"

"Let me show you my sceptre!"



Uncle Crassius will be most upset that you are leaking his latest work before publishing date Albides! ;)
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:21 pm

"Oh, Uriel, do you come here often?"

"This is my bedchamber! I come here every night, Divayth. Sometimes several times a night."

"Oh, heavens! Studying a swelling, bulbous affliction has made me all hot!"

"Let me show you my sceptre!"



That was disgusting. I kind of liked it.

As to the whole question on why did the cure Fyr made for Corprus worked only on the Nerevarine... I have my own version of that answer and will post a story about that some time in the future. Don't hold your breath. :P
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:51 pm

I'm not sure I want to read that if you liked that :D
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:24 am

There were a lot of threads that included explanations about what happened with the cure before the Forums were changed - no idea how to find them now but most suggested that Azura had a hand in that.

I always saw it as the force of prophecy at work coupled with the nature of the Nerevarine and all the potions he/she was taking ... once your stats rise to semi-god-level I think strange things can happen.

Remember it being stated that Coprus was a spiritual disease? And also there a couple of the ancient Dagoths that were also mer in appearance - those closest to Dagoth Ur. Dagoth Ur himself appeared relatively clean in appearance too - as did the members of the Tribunal.

Also maybe the Heart saw it all coming and was grateful ;)
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:05 pm

Divath needs a hobby. As for the big fight thing, why would he fight them? As long as they leave eachother alone to conduct their own business nobody bothers them, really. He uses necromancy and the unfathomable power of a psyjiic to keep himself alive indefinitely. Even after death, he'd probably become a lich and be immortal, if he dosen't wind up accidentally finding an even better immortality spell.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:57 am

Remember it being stated that Coprus was a spiritual disease? And also there a couple of the ancient Dagoths that were also mer in appearance - those closest to Dagoth Ur. Dagoth Ur himself appeared relatively clean in appearance too - as did the members of the Tribunal.


I don't think it is spiritual in natural. It was certainly magical in nature. I had a theory a while back that a "spiritual corprus" could also infect Daedra. Just imagine Dagoth Ur's potential power if he could have done that.

But in 4000 years, no Daedra had been infected. So, I don't think it's spiritual.

Those mer actually are mer, there's nothing super special awesome about that; they just haven't died since the Sixth House was supposedly "destroyed." They were probably sorcerers alongside Ur and joined with him in his shadow immortality from the kickoff.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:05 pm

I don't think it is spiritual in natural. It was certainly magical in nature. I had a theory a while back that a "spiritual corprus" could also infect Daedra. Jusat imagine Dagoth Ur potential power if he could have done that.#

But in 4000 years, no Daedra had been infected. So, I don't think it's spiritual.

Those mer actually are mer, there's nothing super special awesome about that; they just haven't died since the Sixth House was supposedly "destroyed." They were probably sorcerers along Ur and joined with him in his shadow immortality from the kick off.

Also it should be pointed out that sleepers don't have corprus. Only those who come into contact with the disease can get it.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:32 am

How can we be sure that Sleepers don't have the divine disease? I cant remember any reference saying that at the moment.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:01 pm

How can we be sure that Sleepers don't have the divine disease? I cant remember any reference saying that at the moment.

They don't have any corprusmeat on them, unlike dreamers. Also, there's never any evidence in-game that corprus can be caught through means other than contact with someone with the disease. Including Dagoth Gares.

Either way, it's considered a hard-to-get disease.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:37 pm

As sleepers are only sleepers becuase they have bad dreams, then I suppose they don't have corprus.

After you dispel the Heart, the sleepers seem to get better, but corprus monsters still exist and spread the disease, though it will soon dissipate I would think.
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