All countries should be protecting their borders and screening who is coming in. If they are and are still getting attacks then they need to temporarily close their borders to everyone until they can better assess where they are failing to protect their people. Keeping a people out based on their religion or nationality is discrimination and should not be condoned but a country also cannot allow it's citizens to be fish in a barrel. We need to work together in open communication and strategy to defend and to confront the enemy. We should not be warning them, if people are knowingly harboring them out of free will then they are the enemy and should be treated as such. War is dirty business and should be treated as such. Casualty and collateral damage are to be expected. Tiptoeing around the issue and not wanting to offend people will only make us vulnerable but we do not want to become worse than our enemy. We need balance. We need clear heads. We need people who are not afraid to take action when it is needed.

It baffles me, truly baffles me. Humans are feudal, arrogant and above all else (and this is the most dangerous one of all) we are curious. We have a built-in desire to explore, expand and dominate. However, despite all of these qualities, no sane person has a desire for violence. We have as a species progressed to the point that these traits have been warped into a moral dilemma and we have ultimately came to the decision as people that violence like this simply does not represent us anymore. And yet there are these people, these debased, devolved scumbags who take this as a sign of weakness. They think that because they can exert power over those who have no desire to hurt others that they are stronger. These people then try to reach out to us, saying that they are doing it for a set of human beliefs, or a book written by a human, for land borders drawn up by humans. But they themselves are nowhere near human. These are selfish, psychotic murderers who's actions only prove to the rest of mankind that how these people conduct themselves is wrong. These idiots prove with every evil thing that they do that humanity moves forward, and despite their best efforts to cling to relevance, we are leaving them behind.

bloody chickens, the gutless bastards should try and have a ago at something that will fight back.

My deepest condolences to all those involved.

Woe is too the world.

The horror that engulfs it disgusts me.

The unhonourable strike out in cowardness

Why must the world be so full of hate?

Why can't these people see and learn that they can never break the good and honourable people of the civilised world, no matter what they throw at us with their terror plots.

WE SHOULD STAND UNITED WITH FLEMISH IN THEIR HOUR OF NEED

They attack the innocents once again. What a sad day.

If these terrorists think they can keep this up then they have another thing coming.

They can and will until people decide to stop cowering behind political correctness, see the truth and do something about it.

I'm on board for this! IDIOTS!

I hate to say this but they do it because they see us as a soft touch. They see us as eunuchs who wont hit back. Yees, we might invade here and invade there, but they know that'll just enflame people to their side. Honestly? We can't stop it unless we play them at their own fanatical game. The answer? Well, you wont like it, but to give you two hints: "Harry S. Truman" and "Mecca". That is the ONLY possible way to knock them to their senses, just like it did another bunch of crazed fanatics 71 years ago. Sorry, but unless we play hardball with them then prepare yourselves for many, many, many more atrocities like this for the foreseeable future. They're not at all interested in talking or reasoning, and they've shown all too many times that they're not at all scared for their personal safety. There's only ONE way to make them think twice, and that's what I've said. If not then I hope you enjoy looking over your shoulder for the next fanatic.

It will end when these organizations run out of the pathetic people willing to strap a bomb on and the leaders realize they have to strap one on to continue the cause.

Too many experts saying things along the lines of "Our lives will never be the same" or other nonsense. WE are made of stronger stuff. I will not cower in fear in my home. I travel a lot for work. Have for many years. I was in an airport 9/11 in Philly. Took 4 days to get back to Boston. 9/11 was the terrorist largest success to date. You know how much it changed my life? I have to take my shoes off to get through the airport. That's how much it pushed their agenda forward. We will heal our wounded, bury & mourn our dead, but we will prevail.

Evil wins when good men do nothing. There are too many good people in this world for evil to ever win.

Trouble is that these "people" don't wear uniforms. Once you kill one lot of fanatics there's always another to take their place. Even getting rid of their leaders doesn't deter them! They're driven by a warped form of their religious ideology, and even their mad version is centred around that box in Mecca. You want to scare them? Get rid of that box, especially on Ramadan. Alternatively, we could have mass deportations? Either way isn't palatable, are they? But if we just sit back and just keep on annoying the Rottweiler, then it'll keep on biting us, and one day it'll go right for the throat!

I dislike admitting this, but this has been my thoughts for quite some time. "Trouble in the Middle East" seems to be a prevailing topic in the past half century or so, since Israel was granted national status back in the mid 40's.

When "kids" just can't get along, you separate them, keeping them apart. Since no one wants to "leave their homeland" instead attacking the rest of the world, I see one solution. It is most definitely overkill, but when you have a roach infestation, you use a "bug bomb", not singular elimination.

I'd feel bad for the innocents involved, but if I were in their shoes, I'd gladly die in order to have others be safe. Maybe it's my inner soldier coming through

Or.... idk, leave the country to get away from the crazies who are going to get you killed?

It was something we were prepared to do to the Russians for about 40 years just for a threatened military invasion! Even now Russia has threatened WWIII if Finland joins NATO??? On the other hand, we've got crazies blowing big holes in our cities RIGHT NOW! And what if these crazies get hold of a nuclear weapon from somewhere like Iran or North Korea? Anyone want to put a bet on them using it on us with no second thought? What if they get hold of more than one? Impossible? Well, I've seen a US Government video that predicts vans driving to the centers of US cities with nuclear weapons in their backs, so I can't be far off! Honestly, I do wish they'd be happy selling us oil and maybe taking up making video games like the Japanese did, but it looks like making Mario type games is far from their minds!

I see Muslim colleagues and friends reacting angrily to these actions because when these terrorists commit atrocities in the name of Islam it's like they are doing it in the name of "all Muslims" and many Muslims are disgusted by this.

The fact is that some rather prominent Muslim clerics condemn these terrorist actions and condemn the terrorists who commit them.

Unfortunately that gets about as much attention as the Ankara Bombing did on these Forums earlier this March but maybe those victims were the wrong color for us to get too upset about?

Muslims seem to be a lot like you and me.

Some of them are really decent and others can be intolerant jerks.

You can't take the "Islam" out of "Islamic State" but it's probably a mistake to take the actions of a minority of extremists and let it define "Muslim" to you.

Je suis?

Nous sommes.

well, sure seems like no good ideas in this thread, haha. take a hard stance on terrorism, that invokes sympathy and apologists. take a soft stance, and it just emboldens more attacks. tons of examples of both in the last 40 years. seems like the only successes were some heavyhanded oppression to completely root out the terrorists at the expense of everything else, which was fine for those regimes at the time.

A big difference is that suicide attacks are more prevalent, and successful. kind of hard to refute salvation through death and becoming a martyr for those with nothing to lose. Capitulate and forever be haunted that martyrs come out of the woodwork as soon as something goes against them again. Genius when you think about it, everyone else is afraid to die, so they naturally have the upper hand.

The Ankara bombing was a political attack of a kurdish faction within Turkey. A different animal altogether. why would this get as much attention internationally?

Meh, that's just talk. No one here believes Russian aggression is a real possibility. And we should join NATO, no better guarantee of safety than MAD or MAD by proxy. Though you could say have the latter due to EU membership, though i somehow doubt Germany, France or Great Britain would nuke Russia if they attacked us right now

Russia is just huffing and puffing like they have done in many years, yearning for a recognition of "look at us, we want to be a super-power again!" Kids throwing a tantrum. They routinely fly on the borders of every Nordic country and have submerged submarines "spying" on us

As for the other part of your post. You give them too much credit. They don't have the logistics to pull something like that off. The attacks here in Europe, is done from within. By people who have lived here for several years. Not as undercover sleepers from the get go, but young people radicalized from Imams in various Mosque's. They are "homegrown" so to speak. If anything, we should put a full stop on those instead of invading yet another country. It would also stop the recruiting they are doing for the war in Syria. Which would mean, ISIS no longer would have a pool of recruits and steady stream of foolish "knows-no-better-brainwashed young men" The war in Syria, and ISIS would die out. But since the world, and our European leaders are to afraid of the hot potato in the name of humanity and political correctness, no one is doing anything that has an impact. Tensions are very high around Europe, and it is a kettle just waiting to explode.

My city, Istanbul, hit by ISIS few days ago, I feel the same way now, disgusted. The feeling never even left me and now doubled. Some of the fascist behavior in this topic was eye opening too. Some of you guys sound like movie villains, bombing mecca? Colonel Quatrich is that you?

Terrorists, non-"islamic" PKK, killed 38, in Ankara ten days ago. Before that ISIS killed 95 in October. Al-Qaeda attacked Istanbul in 2003, killing 53. We are a muslim majority country, btw.

Extremism can be found at both sides of a spectrum, if you try to fight one side by fueling the other, you would only make both sides stronger. This is an evolutionary trait, I guess.

A true revolution is a rare thing, we only witness one extremist replaced by another. Western governments can't make the distinction between the [censored] up or normal people and no, you can't do it by the looks, clothes or skin color etc. You can't rely on political correctness either, it gives power to those who wants to manipulate you by saying the things you like to hear.

Better communication is the key. With muslim majority I mean. Not terrorists, they are lost souls. I say this as a Sunni Muslim, even I would never try to reason with terrorists like ISIS. Those guys kill people and they claim to be muslims, they are super dangerous deranged people you wouldn't want anywhere near. I am more afraid of ISIS than you guys. You can't comprehend their insanity as much as I do.

Vilifying entire muslim community, it doesn't take political correctness to figure out that is the wrong thing to do. Anyone with a brain and an ounce of decency can figure that out.

We were the last caliphate but we abolished that title for a reason. (Interfering is a bad thing, duh!) A muslim is responsible for his/her own actions, just like any individual from any background. Rule of law is all you need.

Terrorists didn't invent new ways of crime. Applying current laws and measures against nothing more than some glorified mafia type organizations should work just well. If only all countries in the region had stable governments which can enforce these laws. With political turmoils fueled by west, their economies can never prosper which would lead to poor education, which would lead to masses susceptible to manipulation who already blame western powers for their awful situation. If west thought Assad was responsible for war crimes, they didn't need to fuel terrorism to overthrow him. Capture Assad and put him on a trial.

But no, a dead pool made more sense I guess.

Your enemies are people who wants to get power and a piece of land. Idiots, stuck in middle-ages suddenly got an opportunity to go at it. Without stability, what would happen to US or Germany? Tyrants are always waiting in the shadows.

These terrorists get funded by the stupid hostilities between nations which prevent cooperation. I am sure ISIS is enjoying money from those who enjoyed the attacks, possibly some oil rich extremists or even more shady figures. PKK gets money from drugs and human trafficking and propaganda within EU. It shouldn't be so hard to track this money to the real people responsible.

The sad thing is, pretty much every player enjoys the situation, I don't believe in a real intent to finish this off, not yet. Politics make governments act inhumane, long term political interests are getting in the way of swift action. When all parties agree on their economic and political gains from the situation, then ISIS will disappear, just like that.

People who died in the mean time, oh well...

PS. Seriously, world. Get over your hostilities. It is so lame to see Russia vilified too. It is 2016. Rule of law. Any atrocity can be blamed on the perpetrator. ICC is there for a reason. Do the right thing. Get rid of the stupid vetos and you would never believe the power of justice at fixing [censored], every [censored] in middle east can be fixed with justice.

To be fair, we were supposed to disband NATO as part of the agreement that disbanded the Warsaw Pact.


We did not.


I will not go into my true feelings about the geopolitical state of the world here, if you or anyone else wants it, PM me, but I'm still annoyed that we didn't.


US wants to remain the big brother on the playground.

The absolute last thing you should do is join NATO.


I've already warned Swedes about the same thing.


All you'll end up doing is getting involved with the US pushing people around and be legally obligated to.

I've heard little about NATO in years, so much so that I thought it had been disbanded too. And honestly speaking, I'm what people here call a "Little Englander". In other words, I don't mind trading with others, but other than that I'd prefer to keep England waay out of world politics. I'd prefer a military for home defence only, not to go gallivanting around the world sticking our noses into other people's business.

Last I checked, PKK was *not* responsible for the attack in Istanbul. Erdrogan blamed them immediately but information came later that it was not PKK.


That said, it doesn't matter. It needs to stop.


ISIS is reportedly low on funds and mrale is slowly withering, but that doesn't mean it's done.


I believe the root of this evil is actually elsewhere, and that particular country is going bankrupt, quick.


Hint, it's the same one that won't take refugees, but instead funds building of more mosques in Europe for all the migrants, most of which, I'd gander, are not refugees of war.

[censored], I can see why politics are not allowed on this forum now. Some of you guys make me ashamed to share a similar enjoyment of a game with you.


Read a [censored] book before you go sounding like Hitler. Please.

NATO is supposedly supposed to be a mutual defense agreement. Instead it's a proxy army for the US to bully people with and has been for some time now.


It's not specific to any given party here either. US has been incredibly insistent on remaining the big dog in the room for most of a century now.


That annoys me because all the meddling causes crap like this thing in Brussels and I'm so over it. I'm angry. I want people to leave each other alone and stop the squabbing, it's like we're all children.