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Exactly my thoughts.
I wouldn't worry about Skyrim: since Fallout they turned into the right direction. Though there might be more handholding in Skyrim than before (hopefully kind of toggable, if not I remove all these helpful HUD-Elements on pc).

I think they already have the RPG elements down well enough, the combat is what needs improvement the most.
It's no surprise a lot of people are picking RPG though, people don't want to admit to themselves or others that anything is more or equally important to them as what they consider RPG elements. Skyrim will change some people's minds though I have a feeling, I somehow doubt we'll see anywhere near as much complaining over not having classes or attributes and so on once it's out.

Thanks, forgive the overuse of commas. I tend to instinctively place them whenever I pause for thought while typing even when it doesn't make grammatical sense, and I tend to not clean up my posts late at night.

All good don't worry about it. It made sense in a few instances - it emphasised points. Others I barely even noticed. I myself am noticing that I do a lot of blooming apostrophes for possession/contraction EVERYWHERE, like "Other's I barely noticed" and "You're store". It's just a side effect of these forums.

Witcher 2

Also I want a better storyline than Oblivion had. And if possible, the same depth of Morrowind's factions. :sadvaultboy:

I'm not voting as I think RPG elements and action elements are equally important, and one with less than the other makes the game watered down any way you look at it.

I'd like to pick both first choices, thanks.



Also, I'd say "but not at the expense of the story", but I've never really played OB and FO3 for the story - good story tends to be more in solidly-plotted mostly-linear games. Open world is more about exploring and experiencing the world, with enough story to give you a reason to wander around. (I bring this up because of Mass Effect 2 - they improved the action, and improved the "RPG elements", but the story wasn't quite as solid as ME1's. Oh, in this case "RPG elements" = the dialogue and decisionmaking. Not trivial stuff like inventory micromanagement.)

More gore, finishing moves, non-spreadsheet stats, another combat revamp, all make me think Skyrim is heading too far into the action game aspect. I hope they put jsut as much effort into the quests and story otherwise I won't buy the game. :nope:

Personally I'd really like to see some deeper RPG elements.

Characters and dialogue?

Action.

RPG elements. Morrowind had terrible combat an I still loved it so I guess I don't honestly care so much about it.

This. These aren't mutually exclusive elements.

I'd most like the RPG elements strengthened particularly choices and consequences in quests, lore playing an important part in quests, wide range of factions that interact with each other etc
I'm not too worried if the mechanics go much action than RPG. TES series mechanics were always pretty mediocre but that didn't prevent MW being a good game because the world was so well done

My main problem trying to play Morrowind... is the combat. Yes, the world is amazing and all of that, but while normally I enjoy fighting enemies in games... I hate it in Morrowind. Especially melee combat. Oblivion improved it, and I expect the same from Skyrim. So a combat improvement is what I expect, talking about action.

Concerning ROG elements, I think they did a great job in Morrowind and Oblivion... so if it continues like that I would be happy. I would like to see some imporvements about "choices and consequences".

Overall, I would expect a bigger progress in the "Action" part.

I'm just looking forward to playing the game. Using perks to define your character provides a greater depth of experience. Consider how some perks from Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas were more action oriented while others were more RPG oriented. "Bloody Mess" has no bearing on any RPG element of either game, while "Ladies Man" and "Eligible Bachelor" gave you more dialogue options. I'm sure anyone here can think of better examples than those, but I haven't had my coffee this morning, so I'm really not functioning very well.

To answer the question, though, I think every game contains action--why else would we play them?--and Bethesda games are heavily focused on developing your own character--the essence of RPGs--so I really think Bethesda is doing the right thing with the TES series by allowing the player to blend action and RPG elements (via perks) into their character as they see fit. Practically, this provides the gamer with the option to focus on action or RPG elements without the developer deciding for them. The perk system in FO3 and FO:NV certainly provided me with more freedom than Oblivion or Morrowind to dynamically create my player as I played the game rather than having to know how I would try to play the entire game from the start. I think the new system will work wonders and do not consider the overhauls made to the series as something negative.

Both Action and RPG. However, if I were forced to chose I would like deeper RPG elements in NPC interaction and multilayered plots. If Skyrim takes the best parts of Morrowind and Oblivion and combines them together with a couple of new features then it will be an unmatched RPG for years to come.

I think the RPG mechanics should be more stats oriented, which is the opposite direction they're going right now. The action part is improving with each installment, they should focus more on character customization and c&c.

Poll is so ridiculously biased.

I don't see why Action has to come at the sacrifice of stuff like Spellmaking and separate cuirass and greaves. I know these things don't interfere the action that comes during questing. I don't understand it when Bethesda infers they streamlined customization to let people jump into the game.

Jump into the game?

Bethesda, Bethesda, what am I going to do with you? Are you so concerned with the more casual gamer's ability to play on the fly for an hour that you'd design a game with a few hundred hours of content around the habits of an iPhone gamer?

Tell me that makes sense.

Tell me that the casual gamer isn't going to drop Skyrim in a month or two anyway when the next big game comes out.

Tell me that the casual gamer will come back to buy the all DLC for a game they dropped with 2/3 the content untouched.


Bethesda, tell me why I or other RPG gamers should preorder Skyrim instead of waiting a few weeks to buy it on sale during the holidays?

Bethesda, why do you slight us?

RPG elements. PLEASE!!!

I still see TES as being an open-world RPG series, not an open-world action-adventure series. Please don't let that change, Bethesda.

Bethesda: Dear forumite, we've heard your concerns and we must sadley inform you that Financial gain is a somewhat greater priority, we apologize if our initial "just make the game" mentality has given way to aspiring to garner a larger base on which we can float on, times changed and so have we and this is what we feel is wanted.
we thank you for your input, remember to get Skyrim 11.11.11 :teehee:


seriously though I don't think its some massive conspiracy, and before someone barks they aren't making the game for you, he's the same 1 in that 5 million that purchased Oblivion and or past games as well, I rather they cater to no one as they did Morrowind even though thats the first mainstream title, then cater to anyone at all.

Pretty much where I am. Choosing between RP and action in a game sure to feature plenty of both seems pretty artificial. I suppose there are folks who really only care about one or the other, but I'd expect them to be a minority among TES fans.

This all boils down to opinion. Morrowind to me felt like a stale, never-changing world. Nobody ever ate, or walked around, visited the tavern, there wasn't an arena deeply-steeped in history, and character dialogue was as stiff as a dry plank. See how that's a defendable opinion as well?

Also, to the poster that said TES isn't RPG.. LOL!