I know, darnit <_< Kinda irritated by that, but I have trust in Bethesda.

iTunes has to be one of the slowest and otherwise most horrible ui that i have been forced to use in the last few years and Bethesda wants to copy that? Why?

Todd specifically mentioned the part of iTunes where you are browsing through your albums, and instead of looking at the data only you are also looking at the album art. This added visual makes it easy for some of us to maneuver through data (because it uses a different part of the brain I would reckon). I think Todd is saying from a design and user friendly perspective Apple as a company employs good techniques. This isn't tied into their other practices, and it would be illogical to take what Todd meant out of context and imply that he looks to Apple for all of his new design ideas.

You're probably right, I just don't like seeing Apple touching things I like <_<

To anyone who likes apple, feel free to like it. I'm not trying to bash you.

Instead of looking at text of the weapon or item, you are shown the actual 3d version of it.

Pretty much, devs love to believe putting less in a game makes it better. And people love to defend them and make up reasons about why it's a good thing, "maybe it'll work this way!" they say. Desperately trying to convince themselves of something other than what has been stated.

The reason is people tend to get into trends, and think they are correct. "Only sequels can ever make money!" says Hollywood. Then Avatar hit's #1 of all time and Incpetion hits number one this year (By the way 80% of the top 100 grossing movies of all time are not sequels). For developers right now it's "streamlining" or "make it easier to understand by taking stuff out." They could just make better tutorials, better interfaces, and etc. But taking stuff out is the popular thing so that's what they do. Eventually someone, somewhere will realize that having stuff in the game is what makes it a game (cough, Modern Warfare ADDDED menus, points, and etc. to get so popular) and then there will be a new trend.

Not sure why people are crying over the fact that there will be less skills in Skyrim as it is not like Bethesda are removing the skills altogether but merging superfluous skills with other skills, mysticism will still be in the game just now the spells that used to fall under that skill will be split up amongst the other magic skills. But where did you hear that there will be "removal of lots of stuff even from oblivion" and "combat is main focus"? So far I have heard nothing of the like, sure I know Oblivion took away a few of the equipment and magic options that we had in Morrowind, I understand their reasons for doing this however there is nothing to say that there is anything stopping Bethesda from bringing them back in Skyrim (this could be false hope on my part however if they dont it is not like it could be any worse than Oblivion right?), besides Skyrim will undoubtedly bring a few new features to the table as well such as the dual wield system.

As for Skyrim becoming "more conan" and your gripe about the armour styles what the hell did you expect? We are going to Skyrim the home of the nords after all, of course the game will feature a heavy viking influence. But really how much of the armour have we actually seen? to complain about such things at this stage without having had a closer look is just stupid and from what I have seen there will be plenty of armour sets that arent of norse influence.

The only things I have heard that I am dissapointed with so far are the inclusion of the stuff I did not like from Oblivion such as level scaling, other than that it looks pretty good so far and I really dont have much information to make the judgement that it is going to svck.

They got rid of stuff? I'm pretty sure I'll still be able to walk from a to b, kill monster c, finish quest d. They ADDED more perks. Crafting got added. You can cut down trees. Smithing and mining are new. There are 18 birth sign possibilities I believe. More magic effects. Two handed combat. Better ai reactions from what we're told. The Quest count probably will go up due to radiant questing. Freeking dragons got added for petes sake. The only thing to infact go down that I can think of are skills. But guess what, I actually could work better that way. You don't know for fact that it will or not.

Daggerfall had 9 skills that were meaningless and would be laughed at if included in a mondern game

Skyrim has more skill type stuff than OB and perhaps as much or more than MW. There is at least twice the number of perks and you can choose them. There are now more options, like Two Handed weapons, blunt, dagger, axe differentiated,etc Plus there adding crafting too, Thats more not less.

Yes, games will keep being "simplified"; come to grips with the fact, and you might even get to enjoy some of them in a different way.

If you really can't stand it in Skyrim, then buy it a year late and download some mods that make it better.

i like to see text about items, i like it in-game when you get a short history of unique items.

All in all, you are wasting your time on these forums if you so blatently hate the series as you demonstrated in this post. Find something constructive to do other than moaning about something to people who really dont give a crap about your opinion.

Speak for yourself, he is a stark contrast to most of us and his presence(other haters too) actually serves as an adhesive that bonds all that disagree with him in solidarity.




We defender's of Bethesda out number the haters 10 to 1.

Why are you even on this forum discussing the game if all you do is complain? Perhaps you should consider joining the forum of your favorite series and discussing the upcoming title or complaining about how there isn't going to be an upcoming title.

A lot of the skills also don't matter, same thing with the classes. Why would I need to jump high? Sure it's cool and all but I don't see the point.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying simplifying is a good thing, in fact, that was one of the reasons I find ME2 inferior to ME1, they removed almost everything instead of improving it.

Back on TES, you don't need those many skills, you just need the most important things, but see if you can divide them, such as dividing melee weapons in two-handed and one-handed and then dividing those into another type such as one-handed blunt weapons and one-handed axes or something.

Are they actually removing the ability to do things we used to with skills? For the most part, that answer seems to be no.

I don't understand the obsession with number of skills. Dividing actions among more arbitrary stats is not going to make the game more complex.

The combat in Oblivion and Morrowind was mainly just point and click regardless of how many individual skill categories we had. I am 90% sure Skyrim will be more complex from what I've read about it.


It's a valid point to say they lost a lot of imagination as far as game world and story going from Morrowind to Cyrodil though. Despite that, we haven't seen Skyrim's yet, I don't think it's fair to pass it off as completely bland and derivative until we've played it.

Doesn't more choices and more things to do make a better game? :shrug: I just don't understand why take out things that didn't hurt the game in the first place and then add nothing.

No, they don't. If those choices are useless, redundant, or overly segmented and if those things to do are greater in number but highly repetitive, what does that add?

There is a huge difference between rational, constructive criticism and complaining for the sake of complaining. I think its safe to say that the OP falls into the latter category, taking into consideration the sheer amount of baiting he's done in the numerous posts he's made (all virtually about the same damn thing).

yes. epic trolling because i made one or two threads about how i dont like armour suddenly becoming skin tight on women, how i dont like how there doesn't appear to be many armour pieces, and how i dont like how orcish armour has gone from lore correct samurai/ mongol to moria goblin?

There was nothing Japanese or Mongolian about Orcish armor in Daggerfall...

would that possibly be because daggerfal didnt have the capability to make anything with more than 20 pixels?

Only made it as far as this post, had to respond: I don't agree with the OP, I have high hopes for Skyrim, but I'm sorry, I've played every TES from almost the moment they came out, and Oblivion can not compare to Daggerfall. Don't get me wrong, oblivion is a decent game,(I had a good bit of fun playing it, and if I ever get around to installing the 10 gigs of mods a buddy d/led for me, I'm sure I"ll have even more fun with it) interesting storyline(if a bit short), but compared to daggerfall, it's a joke. And if you're going to say "it has better graphics" well, of course it does, Oblivion is 10+ years newer. If they were to overhaul it's graphics...ahh, that would be a dream. And yes, daggerfall had it's bugs, but ya know what? So did Oblivion. hell, morrowind did too(And for all 3, those bugs could be game-breaking). The only difference, is Morrowind and Oblivion were moddable, thus fixable by the general community. Not really a fair comparison at all.

No, that was because there was nothing Japanese or Mongolian about Orcish armor in Daggerfall. It looked medieval European.

Why do they have to sacrifice one for the other? I mean it really isn't all that difficult to make quest that aren't redundant, but than again isn't that what they are doing with these random quest they added? I don't know if you played red dead redemption but they had something similar to random quest while traveling and it got old real quick. Now i'm not saying that Skyrim will be the same way but it is very possible. Why can't they add more and put some quality time into it instead of taking things out and making the game shorter or leaving things out for the DLC?

They spent four years making Morrowind and four years making Oblivion. If you're wondering why we don't have a Morrowind-sized game with each quest being unique and all skills being useful and brilliant combined with modern technology and costs for making a game, I think it would take too much time and require too much of the developers. As a gamer, I would love such a thing, but it isn't likely simply because of how much time it would demand.


Daggerfall's main questline was unplayable and the game crashed far too often before they patched it up and, as a console player, I'm not using any unofficial patches for Oblivion, and I can easily say it's a more stable game than even the current version of Daggerfall. I fell through my ship's hull and into the void, again, and my game crashed when I asked for directions to different places too quickly, the other day. Daggerfall was an overly ambitious project that promised far more than it offered. They pushed the game out the door after two years of development and the result was clear. If you enjoy Daggerfall more than Oblivion, I won't argue against your opinion, but you can't honestly tell me that you feel Daggerfall's entirely randomly-generated gameworld and quests are of a higher, more detailed quality than Oblivion's because that just isn't true and the game was literally released in a half-finished state with a crapload of unused game files and half-finished promises thrown into it. If the same thing happened with Skyrim... I wouldn't want to see the reactions on the forums.

I didn't say Daggerfall didn't have its strong points, but it certainly did not beat Oblivion in gameworld design, quest design, or useful skill implementation. The armor variety in Daggerfall is pathetic and easily beaten by Oblivion's... especially considering all of Daggerfall's armors are, aesthetically, direct copies of each other but with different coloration. The supposed complexity of Daggerfall involved the same, repetitive tasks over and over again. The reputation system is one of Daggerfall's strengths, in my opinion, but the quests and factions involved in that reputation system are too repetitive and flavorless, in my opinion. The dungeons, towns, and NPCs are the same way, in my opinion. Once you've seen a handful of side quests, you've pretty much seen them all. I fail to see how Daggerfall makes Oblivion look like a joke. Daggerfall has its strengths and much of what one prefers is subjective, but it doesn't make Oblivion look like a dumbed-down pile of goo.

Also, I never mentioned graphics. Why do you assume that I would, because I'm an Oblivion lover and therefore have nothing to prefer but technological advances? I've yet to see some actual reasons as to how Daggerfall makes Oblivion look like a joke. I've seen people claim it and attempt to back it up by claiming it has more of everything, but I've seen little elaboration beyond that. I've stated my reasons for thinking the opposite and that's all I can say. What I think can't be swayed and I'm sure it's the same for you.