Because the FO3 perk system affected gameplay too much and gave way too many perks?

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That was one of the best things in Fallout 3. It was the best way to make your character really unique. Why would it be bad for TESV?

There really isn't anything that couldn't be done via a reworked skill system and reintroducing a heavily overworked advantages/disadvantages/character traits system.

Plus a lot of perks that where in Oblivion where heavily artificial and some even broke game mechanics.
I don't know which perks Fallout 3 had but still i'm generally against a perks system.

Well, if we don't have that, I would like to at least have Fallout 3 perks. But I would just like for my roleplaying to matter in the game world. I can be a knight class in Oblivion, but people will still treat me the same as if I was a thief or a mage. There's not a lot of ways to define your character in the game world, except inside your head. Guilds don't work that well, since you can be the head of every one of them.

Oblivion perks are nothing like that from Fallout 3. Fallout 3 perk system, I felt was really cool.

And one question, why should they treat you different depending on your profession? Sure there can be some difference but I'd rather have them treat you different depending on what they know about you and what character the NPC has.

The personality system has to be FAR extended, just having two fields that completely dictate how people treat you is far too little.

overworked skill system

However the problem there was that the NPCs where far to flat, you know how many bases there where how they treated you? TWO, how much they liked you and how high their "attack" value was. Seriously, try to build a realistic system where people really show difference in their behaviour outside of what has been hard scripted on them with such a system.
And one question, why should they treat you different depending on your profession? Sure there can be some difference but I'd rather have them treat you different depending on what they know about you and what character the NPC has.
The personality system has to be FAR extended, just having two fields that completely dictate how people treat you is far too little.


Took a look at a list of Fallout 3 perks, they are a bit better but i still don't feel too comfortable about them, many do feel strange and could b recreated by a overworked skill system.

Well, not so much my proffession (considering they probably wouldn't know that unless I told them) but how you look. If I'm walking around town in heavy armor with a big warhammer, people are going to treat me differently then if I'm walking round with a little dagger and a hood, or if a have a fancy suit or just sack cloth clothes. Also, depending on how intelligent I am and how likeable I am. Thats mostly what I mean. Not so much profession, but attributes and appearance.

So basically, just what you said ("what they know about you and what character the NPC has") is what I meant.

This intrigues me... what do you mean by an overworked skill system?

- people sleep under covers. Presumably, the same type of system would allow both flexble banners (adaptive meshes so that the sleeper doesn't clip through the sheets) and multistated items (not sure what else you'd need items that could have multiple appearances depending on what an NPC is doing, but the idea is almost certainly reusable)

- water. There are how many different water mods? And how many people c omplain about the look of each? What gets me is that I've seen a lot of water in my lifetime, and all water is not created equal. Take Houghton Lake in Michigan: you can see approximately 4-5 feet down under ideal conditions. At Palms Book State Park, you can see thirty or more feet down under less than ideal circumstances. Can the water system be altered to allow bodies of water to have different clarity levels?

-weather. People have lots of ideas, but the one that's most missing is wind. Especially on water. Yes, Bethesda, fluid dynamics is not that excessive, but could we have it done right over the next couple of games?

-idiosyncratic NPC behavior. Some NPCs should talk in their sleep. Some should snore. Some should toss and turn, while others sleep like the dead. Makes-Steel-Claws, the Argonian smith, should be an early riser, while his cross-town competitor, Haakon the Wencher, should stay open later, and occasionally conduct business while drunk at 3 AM. Additionally, he should hit on female characters and possibly offer them slightly better prices than male characters.
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- dust. Just... dust. In old castles. In tombs. In houses you don't visit.

Anyone else have small, insignificant things they'd like to see that would simply help them forget that they are playing a game a bit more? Keep in mind, it really should be "meaningless" in the context of the game. No assigning effects to it, no making the player interact. Whatever it is should just exist just to exist!

Is that a question or a statement?

Because thats exactly what made it great. Sure it could be toned down a bit, and make more perks selected when you start the game. Or maybe you have perks are only selected when you create your character. But anything that can make roleplaying as someone/something easier and actually matter in the game world sound great too me.

I just want to see more diplomacy and non violent solutions, something that the bard class promises but doesn't really deliver. Plancescape Torment, one of my favorite RPG of all time didn't require that many battles to complete the game (only 4 battles were required).

I love how the whole thieves guild questline required 0 kills to complete. Hopefully, the next Elder Scroll's TG will be this way (Honestly, if people want a Daggerfall style TG, they could just make another assassin guild built in that manner).

Take that concept even further, you could finish Deusix with just ONE kill required and, by clever exploiting, you could even make that into not YOU performing the kill or even skipping it entierly.

*spoilers*

Yeah, but it was only done for bragging rights. The game still thinks you killed Anna even after using that glitch, so I just end up killing her anyway.

Also, Arcanum only required 2 kills. Fallout 1 required None. I think these 4 games were the most diplomatic rpg out there.

Yea, hell how much i wished i could have solved quests the other way *possible spoilers*

For example, i once by pure accident managed to defear Umbra without killing her by knocking her sword out of her hand and quickly grabbing it.
Or another time where i wished i could have just TALKED, the leyawiin mages guild recomendation quest. Why couldn't i just TALK to that guy or at least give him a slap to snap out of it. Especially since i actually AGREED on some points he had and would have loved to find a diplomatic solution. But no, only way to end the quest is KILLING him.
And one that really annoyed me, in Bravil there's a woman who sends you to search her husband, you can find him but you can NEVER save his life. In fact you are LITTERALLY unable to move as you see him getting killed, at that point i could have defeated the guy who killed him easily but the game simply didn't let me.

This SERIOUSLY needs to change, i mean how many quests did you remember you could solve either by diplomacy or a clever trick instead of having to kill someone, being unable to solve it any other way or correct the outcome? Not many i think...

I would really like to see this feature from Morrowind return in TESV; When you first start a new game, the map starts out completely blank, and the more you explore, more of the map is revealed. So if you just walk in a straight line from one end of the map to the other, only that line will be highlighted, and what lies out in the rest of the map is a mystery. It's very useful for remembering where you have and haven't been, and it also stops you from knowing where the major cities are before you discover them, unlike in Oblivion, where every major city already has fast travel markers as soon as you emerge from the sewer.

I would really like to see this feature from Morrowind return in TESV; When you first start a new game, the map starts out completely blank, and the more you explore, more of the map is revealed. So if you just walk in a straight line from one end of the map to the other, only that line will be highlighted, and what lies out in the rest of the map is a mystery. It's very useful for remembering where you have and haven't been, and it also stops you from knowing where the major cities are before you discover them, unlike in Oblivion, where every major city already has fast travel markers as soon as you emerge from the sewer.