» Fri May 27, 2011 8:39 pm
From a previous discussion:
A Paradigm Shift:
In the previous games, the magic skills tended to be defined by what they could do; Destruction was for attack spells, Restoration for healing spells, and Conjuration for summoning things. I'd like to see the definitions of the magic skills shift a bit from 'what they can do', to 'how they do it'. Under this new definition, Destruction wouldn't just be the attack skill, it would be magic for manipulating energy (heat, electricity, etc), Restoration is the direct effecting of living things, not just healing, and Conjuration is the magic of Oblivion, so the undead-affecting spells ought to go. The old set of abilities are largely still present under this new definition of the skills, but defining them this way allows the skills to branch out in interesting and unexpected new ways.
The Magicka-Health Disparity:
One of the things that really needs to be fixed for the next game. The disparity I'm talking about is that your magicka pool is purely dependent on stats, while health is determined by both stats and level. This often led to situations in Oblivion at higher levels where there was such a huge difference between your magicka and the enemy's health that you'd have to empty your magicka pool at them multiple times to kill them. The next game needs to be consistent in how health and magicka are determined.
Spell Tomes:
Oblivion introduced these in a DLC. It played like an unimportant little tack-on (mostly because it was one), but the idea was a good one. So, I wanted to come up with a way to more fully integrate spell tomes into the next game. I have two ideas on how to do this: a less extreme one, and a more extreme one, so I'll present both here:
-The Less Extreme Idea: spell tomes function the same way they did in Oblivion, but rather than being a rare piece of dungeon loot, they become the cornerstone of learning magic. Spell merchants now sell these books, rather than teaching the spell directly (this also means that, as long as you hold on to the book, you could learn the spell, delete it, and then re-learn it from the same book, if you have a reason to). Spell tomes also become much more common loot off of mage enemies, and out of mage-themed dungeons (necromancer and conjuror lairs); boss mage NPCs would be guaranteed to carry at least one spell tome on them. Certain major mage characters (in Oblivion, this would include Arch-Mage Traven, Mankar Camaron, and Mannimarco, among others) will have special spell tomes that contain multiple powerful spells.
-The More Extreme Idea: all the stuff in the above paragraph applies, except for one thing: in this version, spell tomes wouldn't teach spells; in fact, nothing would teach spells. Spell tomes would instead act like spell scrolls with infinite charges; so as long as you have the book in your inventory, you can cast the spell, but if you remove it, you can't cast anything. I think this serves three good purposes: first, it further plays up the whole 'mages are scholars' thing, which always existed in TES, but without a lot of explanation as to why, since magic was never really shown as requiring a lot of book learnin'. Second, it gives mages more reason to care about their equipment, which was lacking compared to warriors and rogues. And third, it provides an easy way to disarm a mage when the game calls for it (I mean really, why would guards even bother with throwing a powerful mage into jail? Open Lock + Invisibility = easy escape).
Enchanting:
I'm largely neutral on whether Enchanting should return as a skill, so I'm going to present ideas for doing it both as a skill and as just a service:
-No Skill: if enchanting is just a service provided, then it needs to be more widely available than it was in Oblivion. You don't need to be a member of the Mage's Guild to get things enchanted, but you will get better prices if you are. I'd also like to see the return of cast-on-use enchantments. I can understand why Bethesda chose to restrict certain enchantments to certain items, as Morrowind's enchanting could be a little intimidating, so I don't begrudge them a little simplification here and there. So I would set up enchanting like this: weapons get cast-on-strike enchantments; armor, clothing, and foci (more on them below) get constant-effect enchantments; and amulets and rings get cast-on-use enchantments.
-As a Skill: All the stuff above still applies here, as well as the following. First of all, it should be possible to un-enchant something; drawing the magic out of it and storing it in an empty soul gem, allowing you to re-enchant the item, and use the now-filled soul gem for enchanting. With enchanting as a skill, there should be three ways to enchant an item: first, do it yourself, with no monetary cost, but a chance of failure. Second, get an NPC enchanter to do it, with no chance of failure, but this costs money, and you can't actually use your own spells to enchant it, you have to use the spells the enchanter has access to. The third (and new) option would be to get an NPC enchanter to help you enchant the item; the cost of doing this would depend on your character's Enchant skill (higher skill = lower price), but it would remove the chance of failure, and allow you to enchant with your own repertoire of spells. Enchanting the last way also counts as training in your Enchanting skill, just as enchanting by yourself does.
Foci and Reagents:
I intend these items to basically replace the staves that were present in Oblivion. Foci and reagents have different mechanics to them, and affect different spell schools, but they both exist to improve the mage's spell casting in some way:
-Foci: foci are used to improve your spellcasting for Destruction, Restoration, Mysticism, and Enchanting (if Enchanting returns as a skill); basically all those spell schools that have lots of instant-duration spells in them. They are objects that the mage equips in place of a weapon (although some can also be used as weapons), and include things such as mage staves, wands, totems, ritual daggers, and so on (and for Enchanting, maybe an enchanted smithing hammer, or something like that). As a base, all foci reduce the magicka cost of all spells in the above schools (for Enchanting, it would increase the success rate, or the cost). Beyond that, some foci can have enchantments placed upon them that further improves certain spells (maybe one that increases how much healing spells heal you for, or the amount of weight a telekinesis spell can lift, and so on).
-Reagents: these improve your spellcasting for Alteration, Conjuration, Illusion, and Necromancy (again, if Necromancy appears as a skill); those spell schools that focus on spells with lengthy durations to them. Reagents are consumable items that will greatly improve the duration of the duration of a spell, if you have the reagent in your inventory when you cast the spell. Each reagent would be specific to a single type of spell (possible reagents could include a feather for slowfall spells, bonemeal for a skeleton summoning spell, a daedric rune for daedra summoning spells, and so forth).
Destruction
The magic of manipulating energy. This skill wouldn't seriously change under my ideas. It's mostly just a case of finding new ways to toss energy around. Also, providing special properties to each type of element.
Spell List:
-Fire: fire spells have a percentage chance to do additional damage over time to their target. Also, fire spells burn away minor landscape elements, like grass and small shrubbery. When cast underwater, fire spells would instead manifest as a pocket of boiling water.
-Shock: does extra damage based on the amount of metal armor worn by the target. When cast into water, it automatically increases the area of effect, as well as the damage done.
-Frost: has a chance to temporarily slow the movement of the target. When cast at water, it temporarily creates a solid block of ice that can be walked upon.
-Energy: fires a blast of pure energy. Energy has none of the special features of fire, frost, or shock, but it has a lower magicka cost. Also, resistance to energy would be much more rare than resistance to fire/frost/shock.
-Projectile Spell
-Touch Spell
-Area of Effect Spell: fire is a fireball that explodes on impact; frost sends out a cone-shaped wave of frost; shock is a lightning bolt that chains to multiple targets; and energy is an explosion similar to the fire spell.
-Stream Spell: a continuous stream of fire/lightning/whatever
-Radial Spell: an explosion radiating out from the caster.
-Imbue Weapon: temporarily enchant your weapon with the element of your choice.
-Illuminate: activates all fire-based light sources in the area of effect (campfires, candles, etc).
-Douse: deactivate all fire-based light sources in the area of effect.
-Resist Element: I like this better here, rather than in Restoration.
-Weakness to Element
Alteration
I see Alteration magic as being the magic that deals with changing inanimate matter: levitation works by creating a cushion of air under the caster, waterbreathing transmutes water into air, and opening locks works by altering the tumblers in the lock.
The big thing that needs to happen with Alteration is to bring back the spells cut in the transition from Morrowind to Oblivion. Another thing to consider is any elemental-style magic that based on earth, air, or water, as I think they fit well here.
Spell List:
-Magic Armor: the Shield spells from the previous games renamed (I have a reason for renaming)
-Elemental Armor
-Shield: this spell functions different from all other spells. Instead of mapping to the cast button, this spell maps to the block button, as though it were an actual physical shield (this, of course makes the two incompatible). When you block, it causes a disc of force to appear in front of you and block attacks (including offensive magic), while draining your magicka as long as you maintain it. If any of you have played the game Infamous, I'm basically picturing the shield ability from that game.
-Open Lock
-Lock
-Water Walking
-Water Breathing
-Burden
-Feather
-Slowfall
-Jump
-Levitate
-Fly: a very high-speed levitate that could be used for travel. However, taking any damage will knock you out of the spell, making it a poor choice in combat.
-Strengthen Weapon/Armor: increases the damage done by a weapon or the defensive properties of a piece of armor.
-I'm halfway inclined to move Destroy Weapon/Armor here as well, I personally think it'd fit better.
-Push: hits an enemy with a blast of wind that sends them flying back and knocks them off their feet
-Root: causes the earth to rise up and trap an enemies feet, preventing movement.
-Barricade: temporarily creates a low wall of earth in front of you that can act as both an obstacle and a shield.
Restoration
I would use this as the skill for all magic that directly effects living things. Healing is the obvious part, but I would also include a new spell type: shapeshifting. After all, if you think about it, altering someone's stats could be considered a limited form of shapeshifting, so why not take it one step further?
Spell List:
-Restore Health/Stat/Fatigue
-Cure Poison/Disease
-Fortify Stat
-Absorb Stat/Skill
-Damage Stat: I like having all the stat-manipulating spells under restoration.
-Drain Stat: same as above.
-Shapeshift: Animal: spells to assume the form of any natural animal (wolves, lions, etc), or fictional creatures that serve as animals (nix hounds or guars).
-Shapeshift: Monster: take the form of any non-undead, non-daedra monsters (ogres, trolls, etc.).
-Claws: turn your hands into claws, increasing hand-to-hand damage.
-Swiftswim: grow webbed hands and the like to increase swimming speed
-Spiderclimb: increase climbing skill (yes, there should be a climbing skill).
-Nighteye: I think this works best as a shapeshifting spell
Illusion
Magic used for altering the mind, and creating false constructs of light and sound. The big thing I want to do here is create some spells that make actual illusionary images.
Spell List:
-Charm
-Command
-Calm
-Frenzy
-Rally
-Demoralize
-Silence: prevents speaking, as well as spellcasting
-Paralyze
-Blind
-Chameleon
-Invisibility
-Light
-Sound: causes a loud sound to burst forth wherever the spell hits, causing NPCs to go investigate.
-Mark Person: marks an NPC. Used in conjunction with the following two spells:
-Illusionary Attire: your clothing/armor changes appearance to match that of the marked target. Doing this will make you appear to be part of whatever social group the marked person is (so copying a guard's uniform makes you appear to be a guard, a noble's finery lets you blend in at a high society event, etc).
-Doppelganger: you take on the full appearance of the marked target. People will treat you as if you were that person, but if the copied person sees you, you'll be revealed as a fake (and probably get in trouble with the law).
-Mirror Image: creates several illusionary copies of the caster. Enemies will become confused and not know which to attack.
Conjuration
Magic tied to Oblivion. The big thing I want to do is cut the undead-related stuff. It doesn't fit here, I think, and would be better suited to its own separate skill.
Spell List:
-Summon Daedra: yep, just daedra.
-Bound Item
-Command Daedra: the other command spells stay in Illusion, but Conjuration gets the ability to do it to daedra
-Bind Daedra: traps a daedra in place, where it can neither effect, nor be effected by anything else.
-Dismiss: un-summons your current pet. You automatically get this spell when you acquire your first Summon Daedra spell.
Mysticism
Mysticism has always lacked a concrete theme. The one I would give it is being the magic all of all esoteric forces; things that, while they can be affected by mages, their full natures are only half understood by people on Nirn. This includes such things as kinetics, space, time, the soul, and even magic itself.
Spell List:
-Soul Trap
-Detect Life
-Dispel Magic
-Absorb Magic
-Reflect Magic
-Detect Magic: just as detect life shows an aura around living things, detect magic displays an aura around all magical items, all magical parts of the landscape (such as those magic-firing crystals in Alyeid Ruins), and all characters who have magic as their primary specialization.
-Telekinesis: lifts objects and creatures into the air. Throwing them can cause damage.
-Telekinetic Shot: a streamlined combat telekinesis. The spell will automatically pick up a random nearby object and fire at in the direction the spell is cast.
-Telekinetic Barrier: picks up numerous nearby objects and sets them to whirling around the caster. The objects damage anyone who gets too close.
-Mark
-Recall
-Teleport to Location: spells designed to teleport to specific set locations, typically the Mage's Guildhalls, and other major magical locations.
-Blink: teleports the caster a short distance in the direction aimed.
-Haste: speeds up the flow of time for the caster, making the rest of the world appear to move in slow motion.