I just think Morrowind did it well. Running was very slow in Morrowind, I didn't like that, but that simple mechanics of fatigue were fine.

I personally don't want sprinting. Walking and running is fine.


And I don't see how you think running feels like walking in Oblivion. I guess it can if you do it a lot, but compared to Morrowind it was much faster. I loved Oblivion's general rate of speed. Besides you can increase the rate of speed you run at by increasing the speed attribute.

Really? You dont see any possible advantage with using sprinting?

<_< you know this constant want to return to Morrowind in every single aspect of the next elder scrolls game is starting to get pretty annoying.

I presented a step forward, which I backed up with reasonable mechanics and important gameplay functions but all I ever see on this forum is "*rant* oblivion is so bad *complain* do everything just like morrowind again*whine*"

Althoug realism alone isn't just what makes a game.....

The Cliffs...of Insanity!

agreed, morrowinds running svcked. also it was a toss up between walking everywhere and falling asleep or running everywhere and not having the fatigue to hit anything if an enemy appeared

Reading up on Red Dead Redemption, the regional aspect of that game's hunting would be a great (and logical) addition to TES.

For instance, in RDR if you skin a buffalo, the hide will sell for less in a town where buffaloes are commonly found nearby, but if you take that hide and sell it in a region where the animal is rare, it will sell for more.

This would be a simple, cool way to add some depth to the business of killing the local wildlife. Mudcrab meat might go for cheap in a town that's on the water, but sell it up in the mountains and you get a better price. Have animals you encounter actually be native to certain regions on the map.

Let me put it in very clear terms:

Morrowind's run speed is so patheticly slow that it makes me feel like I could out do it, and I'm out of shape, my right foot is pretty much perpetually swollen, and my right hip hasn't fully healed from a snowmobile crash 4 years ago. So I can't run for crap, and Morrowind is still slow.

Instead of making running slower, make horses faster. Problem solved, and we don't get Mr. Slow Motion Fake Run back from Morrowind. Maybe even make low Speed running faster, and make each point of speed mean less.

But can we PLEASE not go back to the cheesy slow motion run of Morrowind? I've seen it 10000 times in movies*, and I don't need it put back into TES to satisfy people who believe Morrowind was perfect.

Is that....?..nooo....................... Is that 'The Princess Bride" ?????

between walking everywhere and falling asleep or running everywhere and not having the fatigue to hit anything if an enemy appeared

If you want sprinting, it should only be possible to initiate when %fatigue > (100-skill), and ends when fatigue hits 0, at which point you're in a "forced walk" state until you hit 10% (at which point jogging resumes.

Yea. It was on TV at like 2 am exactly when I read your post. And yes, I think the next game should have that kind of terrain. I think Bethesda needs to take more cues from popular culture. They said they used Gladiator and Conan the Barbarian as influences for Morrowind. Why not use The Princess Bride, Kingdom of Heaven, Pirates of the Caribbean for the next one?

THAT WOULD svck!!!!!

Skyrim should be, if it has ANY movie influences, based off of http://bragewj.com/starwars/hothBattle.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/047/a/b/Mountain_Kingdom_by_Vablo.jpg

I think classes should include what they do for money and how they get food. Every day an NPC spends having not eaten, their health and fatigue go down a bit. the classes would be,


Food Farmer: Produces and harvests his own plants, such as wheat, corn, etc.; as well as cattle pigs etc. iff there is extra food, they sell it. And if they can afford it, they will buy a luxury.

Cash Crops: Harvests and produces cash-crops, like wine or tabaco. a traveling merchant would regularly trade him his crop for money and food. And if they can afford it, they will buy a luxury.

Hunter: most NPC's hunt, and is is the default if something messes up their original script. This would involve tracking down an animal they can easily kill, and killing them. the amount of meat produced is 3x what it would be for the player. If there is extra food, they sell it. And if they can afford it, they will buy a luxury.

Merchant: has the amount if money they are willing to trade, as well as savings in the back. other NPC's go to traders regularly when they have spare cash and need something, so their cash fluctuates. at the end of every day; if the trader has made money then they put the extra in their savings. if they lost money, they replenish their supply.

Traveling merchants: Tie in the the farmers. they have no savings, as they buy in massive amounts. They go from farm stead to farmstead buying and selling food and cash-crops, as well as some luxuries. Their loop starts and ends in a major city, so that they can sell all but food with the merchants their, as well as re-stock.

Rich people: They have massive amounts of money, like millions and millions, hidden in a cell that the player cannot enter. They draw upon that cash through scripts when they go shopping, and they buy not only food, but many luxuries.

Working man: They do their job at a loss of fatigue, or (in the case of the fighter's guild) health. However, they get payed in cash depending on what job(s) they have, and will go buy food from a merchant, and if they can afford it, luxuries.

Beggars: They will sell information to thieves guild members, and if other NPC's have more than 5x what they are asking for, they will get charity. Every $1,000 the player gives to charity is worth 1 fame point, as an incentive to do so. They mostly have low responsibility, and if they see something lying in the street will most likely take it. They only buy food, and store all their money.

Vampires: Don't eat food. however, they will break into houses and feed on other NPC's. Before feeding, they will cast a non-hostile version of Paralyze on their target, to assure that they don't awake with fangs in their neck.

Inn Keeper: a specialized merchant. most will only sell beer, wine, and bread and will only buy from Traveling Merchants. Every Inn NPC pays 5 gold to them every night for sleep, even if there are more customers than beds.

Things common to all classes:

Scavenge; If somebody sees something lying around, they will most likely pick it up. If the item is owned (by the player or another NPC) then they might, depending on the object's value and their responsibility. High responsibility NPC's will pick up Player-owned objects and return them for a monetary reward.

Hunt; If they see a wild animal that they know they can easily best, they will kill it. if they see a non-fighting wild plant, they will harvest it.

Friendship; If a poor NPC has a disposition of 90+ with a Rich NPC, they will most likely get a loan. The loan will be payed of in ten months with no interest, unless the Rich NPC falls on hard times or gets a 70- Disposition towards the other one. In those cases, there will be 5% interest.

Improvement: If an Innkeeper, Food Farmer, or Traveling merchant save up 1000+ gold, they will move into the closest abandoned farmstead, and become a cash-crop Farmer. If a Cash crop farmer or Merchant saves up 10000+ gold, they will instantly get 1 million in 'savings' and become a rich person. A Begger or hunter who has saved up 500 gold will become a Food Farmer or Innkeep depending on which institution is closer (an abandoned Inn or an abandoned house)

Deprovment: If a npc don't have enough food to survive two more days, they will either join the thieves guild or church depending on their responsibility.

And RellcFTW, take a hit to speed down to 20 or so and your guy slows down the running animation over the same distance, so from 3rd person it has a "I am floating" feeling to running. At some point the animation does get a ridiculous "cheesy slow motion run".

I would rather have stuff like this

frozen areas
http://brutal.surrogateinteractive.com/DesignDoc/Frozen_Wasteland.jpg
http://mi9.com/datawallpapers/data/22/1972/1199277247/icy-mountain-on-the-ocean_1152x864.jpg
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs34/i/2008/311/b/1/Ice_Cave_by_MeckanicalMind.jpg

and non-frozen areas
http://www.iglucruise.com/images/Geiranger-fjord.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/047/a/b/Mountain_Kingdom_by_Vablo.jpg

I'm playing "Oblivion" currently and last played it a year ago. Something that has occurred to me about the next game: maybe Bethesda has hit the limit in how much they can give us in a game, and should try to narrow their focus somehow. When you think about all the caves, the ruins, the towers in Oblivion, the dungeons, and so on, you start wondering if Bethesda has reached some kind of limit. I'm not articulating this well, probably.

What the hell are you talking about?

I guess I'm saying quantity (of dungeons) is not the same as quality; that I don't know how Bethesda can top themselves for the next game, unless they focus more on the game's writing.