TES NEEDS to be more complex : V - Skyrim

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:24 pm

Comparing Morrowind to Skyrim is like comparing 2d to 3d, sure MW had more variety but I'm sure most will agree that Skyrim is better in every way, sure its missing some stuff here and there that some of us might have liked to see but its all about graphics these days and thats what we got with Skyrim...but its all good, give it a few months and we'll have more mods than we can shake a stick at.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:06 pm

Quit complaining

:yawn:

Cheers

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:30 pm

lol i went back on morrowind ( which i loved back in the day ) and the game wasnt nearly as good as i thought it was. Yea it was original but if bethesda made a game like it people would complain about it being old.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:50 pm

Skyrim is more complex than Morrowind. You just aren't willing to look past your bias to see it.
One-handed alone in Skyrim has more complexity than all of Morrowind's melee skills combined.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:43 pm

On this note, would anyone else be curious to see what a modern and spiritual successor to Daggerfall would be like?

it's called Slyrim...

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:20 pm

Comparing Morrowind to Skyrim is like comparing 2d to 3d, sure MW had more variety but I'm sure most will agree that Skyrim is better in every way, sure its missing some stuff here and there that some of us might have liked to see but its all about graphics these days and thats what we got with Skyrim...but its all good, give it a few months and we'll have more mods than we can shake a stick at.

Actually, it is not about graphics, and those who think that.... well, it is sad. Games should always be about gameplay.
Take for example legendary games,such as FFIX, or Diablo 2. Their graphics pretty much svck, and yet there's lot of fun to play them. FFIX is popular mainly because of story,and Diablo 2 mainly for atmosphere, and variety of items (which you grind for).
I do not think games needs to have top notch graphics to be fun, gameplay (while I think variety is as well) is important.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:21 am

it's called Slyrim...

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Skyrim is no successor to Daggerfall. It's very much in line with Morrowind and Oblivion.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:07 am

What do mounts have to do with fast travel? Mounts are annoying, slow, hard to steer and keep getting in my fights. But I wouldn't want them out of the game. And definitely not fast travel. Don't force your "immersion" or whatever on other people.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:37 pm

Quit complaining

:yawn:

Cheers

I am not, I mentioned in OP that I enjoy playing Skyrim,however, what I think needs to be done is add more variety of spells and items, because that is what made Morrowind so much fun. Why not combine best features of last 3 tes games?

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:57 am

LMAO at the Beth Defense force, bashing any criticism even if it has merits, taking away more options and customization in a game that's billed as one that you can play how you want is NEVER a good thing. This series is getting way too simplified.
Please explain how less customization, spells is a good thing? Taking things out for no reason makes no sense.

Yes consoles brought more sales, it also brought the series into simplified territory. See Justin beiber, Nickleback, mcdonalds. Sales do ot equal quality.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:02 pm

?

Skyrim is no successor to Daggerfall. It's very much in line with Morrowind and Oblivion.

you asked for spiritual successor

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:08 pm

I don't see your point honestly.

I just think PC single player RPG is a dying genre. Most people who want to play with the traditional "stats" and classes are playing an online alternative. Yes MW was on Xbox, but when people are talking about they are referring to the PC concepts. I think it if it weren't for Oblivion's graphics and Push a button, swing a sword, we may not be here today.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:27 pm

Another Morrowind thread, how original...

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:32 pm

I just think PC single player RPG is a dying genre. Most people who want to play with the traditional "stats" and classes are playing an online alternative. Yes MW was on Xbox, but when people are talking about they are referring to the PC concepts. I think it if it weren't for Oblivion's graphics and Push a button, swing a sword, we may not be here today.

Your clueless, The Witcher 2 has sold millions on Pc alone,Skyrim sold big on PC, more then Ps3 including digital sales.... Sales dont mean quality sorry, its irrelevant, people pay mroe for the best, its life.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:23 pm

On this note, would anyone else be curious to see what a modern and spiritual successor to Daggerfall would be like?

I would. Daggerfall had everything. Morrowind had nothing on DF for complexity.

Note: This is in no way a knock on Skyrim.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:27 pm

One can't assume that... People here play it all the time. How can it not be as good as remembered if (in some cases) the last time one played was yesterday ?
(This applies to Fallout 1 & 2 as well.)

Easy nothing is as good as you remember it. I doubt most people complaining that SR is not as good as MW are going back and playing MW to see it lives up to the remembrance. Just like the people who miss the good old days in America. They forget that the good old days were not as good. Slavery, Child Labor, ect... Things in the past are never as good as you remember them.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:58 pm

why?

Complexity for complexity's sake is redundant.

And no, having the same thing with different names (katanas, chitin armor, whatnot) is not complexity

Took the words right out of my mouth.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:31 pm

Skyrim is a different game. Stop complaining, or wasting your and our time speculating what it needs, and appreciate what it has.

This ^

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:37 pm

Easy nothing is as good as you remember it. I doubt most people complaining that SR is not as good as MW are going back and playing MW to see it lives up to the remembrance. Just like the people who miss the good old days in America. They forget that the good old days were not as good. Slavery, Child Labor, ect... Things in the past are never as good as you remember them.

sure they are. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/Gizmojunk/AlbanyNewYorkFebruary121910.jpg

** How exactly do you mean it when you mention "Easy nothing is as good as you remember it", in context of my referencing a game played the day before (or indeed even minutes before)?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:24 pm

LMAO at the Beth Defense force, bashing any criticism even if it has merits, taking away more options and customization in a game that's billed as one that you can play how you want is NEVER a good thing. This series is getting way too simplified.
Please explain how less customization, spells is a good thing? Taking things out for no reason makes no sense.

Yes consoles brought more sales, it also brought the series into simplified territory. See Justin beiber, Nickleback, mcdonalds. Sales do ot equal quality.

HAahah this made me laugh, your right, and I am sure the people saying that it being simplified and not as indepth is a good thing and the "Beth Defense Force" are on console and are butthurt because they realise that the game they bought is the game there stuck with, whereas PC players will be able to ammend the things Beth decided to leave out...

(No offense if your on console btw I just liked your post)

I for one like Mcdonalds but you can send Nickleback and Justin Beiber BACK TO OBLIVION!

bliviongate:

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:31 pm

While i agree complexity for complexity's sake is redundant and pointless. Additional armor types and weapon types, for me anyways, is more about the looks. I'd like a bigger variety of armor styles and weapon styles. While i can make my own skins for armor it would be nice for there to have been more options in the game already. Obviously not everyone will agree with me so that's why the modding is nice.

Plus, in a region that is known for being cold, half the armours for women and some for men look like they would only work in the tropics. My little old lady character looks funny in a bra and skirt. Also, in Morrowind you could layer clothing and armour, which was a great help in making your character look like you wanted them to.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:06 pm

Gary disagrees with the OP. Gary thinks skyrim is far superior to morrowind.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:47 am

Gary disagrees with the OP. Gary thinks skyrim is far superior to morrowind.

Is Gary really Gromnir? (doubtful, but I had to ask)

As one who has never played Skyrim, I am curious. What about Skyrim (textures and audio aside) is remarkably better than Morrowind? I'm meaning the pure conceptual potential of each game compared.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:23 am

Is Gary really Gromnir? (doubtful, but I had to ask)

As one who has never played Skyrim, I am curious. What about Skyrim (textures and audio aside) is remarkably better than Morrowind? I'm meaning the pure conceptual potential of each game compared.

No, gary is simply gary. A small-town, well-hung lad from Iowa.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:30 pm

The days of complex PC games are likely gone forever as they will all be connected to console releases for economic reasons. Bethesda could NEVER develop such a huge detailed world without the console based revenue. Just be happy they still develop single player games AND support the PC platform at all as both of those are a dying breed.