TES V: Skyrim and real life history

Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:13 pm

Am I the only one who when looking at the events before and during Skyrim can't help but draw similarities between Ulfric Stormcloak and Adolf Hitler? I assume this was intentional.

- Ulfric was a soldier in the great war whose country was done great injustices by the victors. Bans on Talos worship being the key issue.
Hitler, on the other hand, was a soldier in the great war whose side surrendered and was forced into the War Guilt Clause and various other unfair cruelties. The War Guilt Clause is the White-Gold Concordate.

- Hitler is not initially a great political force but eventually gathers to himself followers. These followers are initially fool hardy and attempt to get what they want overtly and directly and are locked in prison for it. Ulfric gathers a small force and uses the Markarth battles to be given the right to Talos worship. He is imprisoned for this, however.

- Hitler later gains the love of a scorned people and is legally given his early seat of power while Ulfric is, by right, Jarl of Windhelm and the people there adore their forceful ruler.

- In the next step in both their rises to power things get sketchy. Hitler seizes the seat of Chancellor, though under strange and unconventional processes. Ulfric, legally or not, kills the High King and should technically seize the Throne.

- When they begin their military compaigns many nearby states almost instantly submit to their rule, the Jarls for Ulfric and Austria and Czechoslovakia for Hitler.

- Both make an agressive move then, on a state that does not want their rule. Both believe that removing this state will help in their goal of defeating a greater enemy. Whiterun must be invaded to defeat Solitude, Poland must be invaded to defeat Britain.

- The racism that the Stormcloak Nords are so famous for. The Nords blame the elves for their situation while the Germans blamed the Jews.

- Grey District and racism to outsiders in Skyrim bear resemblance to the Jewish Ghetto and racism to outsiders in Germany.

I was reading a few posts by, I assume, Stormcloak supporters in a few threads, that got derailed into civil war discussions (rather quickly I might add), and I was reminded of this by the arguments used by the Stormcloak supporters.

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Dragonz Dancer
 
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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:23 am

:facepalm:
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Suzy Santana
 
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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:43 am

Why?

Why would you do this?

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:18 pm

I don't bother with Skyrim politics or the Civil War debate but even I think this is...wow. I really doubt Bethesda had the Nazi Germany rise in mind when creating Skyrim...

No offense.

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:43 am

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Josh Trembly
 
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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:57 am

No one said anything about "... Nazi Germany rise". They do seem to be loosely based on the Third Reich though.

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:24 am

Nationalism and hostility toward outside influence are pretty common issues throughout history. I'm not really seeing any direct parallels to Germany and WW2.

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Post » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:22 pm


This.

Besides, it's fantasy fiction , you could relate it with anything you want to spike your imagination while playing a game.
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Post » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:38 pm

Oh Talos. The Stormcloaks will have a fun day with this.
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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:09 am

........

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Why. Dear talos why.

I think this will be locked but I wonder by which mod.

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:39 am

Yes, because all the similarities I pointed out can all be found throughout known history (I can't think of any other event). Sorry but I don't believe in this type of coincidence.

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:03 am

:cryvaultboy:

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:57 am

Well that's what it is. The Stormcloaks simply are NOT inspired by the Third Reich. That is totally and utterly wrong. Why would Bethesda make a game where one of the factions was inspired by the greatest evil we've ever known. How disrespectful would that be? How stupid would that be?

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:33 pm

I've often seen threads closed by "Godwin's Law", but this is the first time I've seen one opened by it ! :blink:

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:49 pm

A closer parallel would be Scotland's war of independence, not Nazi Germany.

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:50 am

Jesus, man. First, op, so what? Lets be honest, Hitler was a brilliant leader that knew exactly how to get what he wanted from people, so I'm not sure why the comparison's truly a bad thing as far as that aspect goes. Especially when the Nazi's zealotry and racism is nothing like the Stormcloaks. Example?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Niranye

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Nurelion

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Arivanya

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Ulundil

Introducing... the Altmer of Windhelm. Altmer are the race that dominantly makes up the organization known as the Thalmor. These people are Altmer. Ulfric has a history with Thalmor in the Great War when he was captured and tortured by none other than Elenwen herself.

Now, these people are all fairly and relatively prosperous in the heart of the Stormcloaks themselves, the first city of man in Tamriel, and the seat of Ysgramor's power. The seat that Ulfric now holds. These people are doing better than a lot of the Nords in their own city. So... how the hell is Ulfric comparable to the man who executed millions when the Altmer can hold this kind of lifestyle right under Ulfric's nose?

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:52 am

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Post » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:06 pm

This is not a suitable topic for these forums. Let's not follow this road again.

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