TES DS : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:32 pm

to people who found hunters hard to control : Theres more than 1 option!

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:06 pm

Come to think of it, a game could be made for the DS. It might have slightly better graphics than Daggerfall if they care about that.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:46 pm

I'd be extremely happy if they just ported Daggerfall to DS, then I could actually play Daggerfall.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:34 pm

If they took a daggerfall sort of engine but without the wasted space on the sky textures like was mentioned, and then maybe added some more 3d objects to it, it'd look fine. Also, remember that the DS has great decompression software, and the RAM, while not huge, is fast. They could make an amazing game for the DS< but it'd take a bit of effort.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:36 pm

I would love a handheld version, i dont care if it is DS or PSP.

I agree the touch screen could be great.

I am not sure i want a new TES game, i would rather see Daggerfall or Arena with updated grapich and Bethesda should focus on TES V.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:53 am

if they do remake arena, i wanna see the plot inconsistencies with later games fixed.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:51 am

if they do remake arena, i wanna see the plot inconsistencies with later games fixed.

And the magic system changed to reflect the new one.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:33 am

Basically, arena with morrowind/oblivion's fighting and magic system, plus updated lore.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:43 pm

No it "Ain't" catchy and its not going to happen...
DS, turns games into crap
Assassins creed on the DS = crap

Agreed. End of discussion

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:24 pm

Agreed. End of discussion

That's odd. I wasn't aware that you could end a discussion between dozens of people by having one of them agree with another.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:01 am

That's odd. I wasn't aware that you could end a discussion between dozens of people by having one of them agree with another.

Especially when the point being agreed on makes no sense. One game is bad, so the system is bad? In that case, the Xbox was completely unsuitable for a TES game, since Catwoman was released for it. Oh, wait.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:36 am

Gamespot gave it a 8.6 out of 10.

Gamespot also gave Grand Theft Auto IV a perfect 10 and vanilla Oblivion a 9.3, so they're not exactly credible. With enough money you can lube the system and crank out the rating you want.

I'm not particularly fond of the DS or any of its games. However I do see how this could potentially work very well.

On the other hand it's a very limited market because the DS' target audience (EG, Grandma and Junior) doesn't dig deep dungeon-diving games. Alliteration, ha!

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:34 am

Gamespot also gave Grand Theft Auto IV a perfect 10 and vanilla Oblivion a 9.3, so they're not exactly credible. With enough money you can lube the system and crank out the rating you want.

It's not a matter of money. People seem to think that every single game they don't like that gets a good score gets that score because money changed hands, but that's not quite how it works. It's more a matter of:

1) Gamespot's editors not sharing your opinions on games.

2) Gamespot's editors being fairly bad at what they do (based on things like inconsistencies with their scores and reviews that make no sense even taking into consideration the fact that they don't have to agree with me).

3) Gamespot not longer has any scores available between 9.5 and 10 (though this one mostly covers GTA4 rather than both).

Also, the average score amongst critics for Oblivion was 9.3, so them giving it that score certainly doesn't imply anything about their credibility (unless you're about to claim that Bethesda Softworks has enough money to bribe damn near every reviewer into giving it a score like that). It just means that they agree with the majority of critics who've played the game (and, from what I can tell, the majority of people in general who've played it), and that you don't.

If you want to take a shot at Gamespot's credibility, you should go for things like the fact that they fired one of their editors for giving a game they were running a lot of advertising for a harsh review, not for disagreeing with you and giving games ratings that are either at (Oblivion) or near (GTA4) the norm for reviewers.

I'm not particularly fond of the DS or any of its games. However I do see how this could potentially work very well.

On the other hand it's a very limited market because the DS' target audience (EG, Grandma and Junior) doesn't dig deep dungeon-diving games. Alliteration, ha!

Not true. DS originally targeted non-gaming advlts with software like Brain Age, but Nintendo's shifted that. As they've gained a larger audience of people who hadn't played games before, they've slowly moved the library of games on their platform further and further towards the sort that those kinds of people normally wouldn't play. As a result, they've reached a point where even games like Etrian Odyssey (which plays like the old Wizardry games), Hotel Dusk (which plays like an old-school adventure), or Contra 4 (which plays like... well, like Contra) can be successful on it.

DS's target audience was basically non-gamers. It isn't anymore. That's the entire point of their business strategy - bring in people from outside the market into the lower end of it, then move upstream and dominate the "hardcoe" using the ones who branch out into more complex and traditional titles.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:59 am

You guys can forget about Daggerfall remake it ain't going to happen.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:14 pm

Gamespot also gave Grand Theft Auto IV a perfect 10 and vanilla Oblivion a 9.3, so they're not exactly credible. With enough money you can lube the system and crank out the rating you want.

Mayby they gave them 10 and 9.3 because they think they are great games. GTA IV might not deserve a 10, trough i think it is the best GTA game because atleast, Nico is a good character. but Oblivion did deserve a 9.3, actually, i think it deserve a 9.8 just to show that it is better than Morrowind which was getting 9.4 which it also did deserve, actually, Oblivion should have had a 10 if it wasnt from the auto leveling.

face it, peoples opinion about games isnt the same, if you dont like IGN and think they are wrong, well then you should indeed stop reading their reviews and find a new gaming site but dont say they arent credible just because YOU dont agree with them.

You guys can forget about Daggerfall remake it ain't going to happen.

Says who? just because it isnt going to happen now dont means it is never going to happen.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:23 pm

Thanks for the message

Sorry, Daggerfall will not be released again - free, as a download, or in any
other way.

-----Original Message-----
From: Redwards34@aol.com [mailto:Redwards34@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:53 AM
To: Press2005
Subject: game_question

Name: [name blocked]
Email: Redwards34@aol.com

Subject: Daggerfall
Message: Hello. I am wondering if your company ever plans to support
Daggerfall. By this I mean releasing the game for free (like arena) or at
least releasing it anyway possible. Maybe even remaking in some way or
something. I am a big fan of the series and this is the only one I haven\'t
played yet. It also is the one that interests me the most of any of the
others. Thank you for your time.

P.S. Good luck on Fallout 3! I tried the original games because of it.

Says Bethesda....

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:09 pm

Says Bethesda....

Thats really a shame, then my experience with Elder Scrolls most be limited to Morrowind and Oblivion because it was Daggerfall who really did sounds interesting, not Arena and there is no way i am gonna play the other two games.

thanks for your answer.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:17 pm

So what? Even if it won't be Daggerfall, doesn't mean there won't be a game for the DS.

Anyway, look at the (Unfortunately canceled) Halo DS picture:
http://files.nintendic.com/nintendo-ds/halo-ds/thumbs/halo-ds-reality.jpg

Looks good, and although a TES game would require an obvious graphics downgrade to fit the world onto the cartridge, it could work.

And the Halo DS game was played by the IGN staff, so it was actually playable.

Okay, here's something we could dream about:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii222/Darkmast508/DSelderscrollsanthology.png

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:11 am

I wish Halo ds hadn't been canceled. both of those look great though.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:33 am

I think people should stop underestimating the DS. Since the screens resulotion is low, it is numeros ways of avoid using more space than needed. First would be to do low poly models, if its done properly it look neat like heck.
Since it got a low resulotion means 1000x1000pix textures would be useless, aka we can save space.
After that i would also state that the DS is more powerfull than a PS1, just to have a refferance.

Besides, the system itself would be easy.
1 use button and other buttons, aiming with the stylus, and stuff

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:48 am

Arena is almost prebuilt for the NDS.

It has nothing but the 'point look' which means you'd have to use the stylus, have the d-pad for moving (Or if you're like me and left handed - the ABXY keys) and the triggers as the right/left mouse button. Use the buttom screen for everything except for the input of riddles, which ofcourse would be replaced with a keyboard. Top screen would be nice as an automap. (Which there is one in Arena)

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:39 pm

I was thinking about an elder scrolls for DS a year ago, and these are my thoughts (I posted it a long time ago in another topic but here it is again):

I think a portable Elder Scrolls would work. I'm a Nintendo gamer so I would prefer one for DS, I know, PSP is more powerful, better graphics but does that really make sense. I want to share my Ideas on how an Eldels Scrolls would work on DS and I'm sure it would work like this! Let us start with the DS hardware, It's not that powerful but when you look at some games like Metroid Prime Hunters you know that it can handle a first person game. One of the major problems is that a DS-card only has a total of 128MB of space, and that is not enough, But I'm sure Nintendo could produce a DS-gamecard with memory up to 512MB, maybe even 1GB. The price will be higher but I'm would be prepared to pay! Next, the DS and it's small amount of RAM (only 4MB), Again, there is a solution. They could include a GBA optionpak like with the DS webbrowser, with this you could have more RAM to work with. I think that, with these expansions, it would be alot "easier" to make an elder scrolls on DS. If Bethesda would work together with Nintendo to make it, it could become a great game (They could just use the Metroid prime Hunters engine for this game).
Now next question, how do you play an Elder Scrolls on DS, how does the touchscreen interface look like? I made a simple mockup screenshot:

[img]http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2081/elderscrollsdstv7.png[/img]

On the top screen you see the game in a first person view, the draw distance is not so big, there's a fog effect in the distance just like in Morrowind. The world is fully 3D. A world like in Shadow key is good enough but with a more powerful device like the DS it can look even better. then on the bottom screen you have a local map, at the top you have the 3 bars for health, magic and fatigue. In the top corners you have your magic and weapon, when you touch the icon you will equip/unequip your weapon/magic. with the arrows next to the icons you can quickly switch between your weapons/spells. at the bottom of the screen you have a button to rest and a button to choose between walking and sneaking. If you are looking at an item at that moment you will see the name of it under the TAKE button and when you press that button you will take that item. by moving your stylus over the map you will be able to look around and by tapping twice you will jump (just like in Metroid and some other FPS games on DS). If your right-handed you use the D-pad for walking and the L-button for attacking (weapon or magic), if you're left-handed you use the ABXY-buttons and R. Pressing start will pause the game on the top screen and on the bottom screen you can choose for Continue, Save, Load, Option, Exit. Pressing Select while playing will also pause the game but here you will be in you journal with item list, worldmap, questlog,... I think this would work. And for the question: PSP or DS? I would say DS cause that the best selling of the 2. More people with a DS, more people to buy the game. The DS is actually the overall best selling device so if they make oblivion for a "none" selling console like the PS3, why not make one for the consoles that do sell.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:51 am

I liekthe interface actually, and the picture also gives me another idea...who says they even need to go with the Daggerfall/arena graphics, if they could go in clean-cut fast cartoonish graphics, it would be kind of like Phantom Hourglass (but 10,000x better, cause it's TES)

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:47 pm

Personally, I'd rather have a TES game on PSP, but a DS one could work too.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:50 am

For once i didn't get an angry reply from Bethesda

I sent them a message, and this is the reply I recieved in return....

Hi Zachary.

Thanks for the email. At this time, we have no announced plans to do an Elder
Scrolls title on the Nintendo DS. If/when this ever changes, we'll let folks
know.

Thank you for playing The Elder Scrolls.

-----Original Message-----
From: chickenbicken9147@gmail.com [mailto:chickenbicken9147@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:30 PM
To: Press2005
Subject: game_question

Name: Zachary Healey (Fubb)
Email: chickenbicken9147@gmail.com

Subject: TES DS (Please Read, I have a good reason

)
Message: I started a post in the forums a long while back, and...

Ok, I don\'t know if you guys even bother to review half the sutff in your
forums, but, here....go here...

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=828102&st=0

We\'re having a long drawn out discussion about how TES DS would actually
work, and truth is, we all think it would, and guess what, most DS games cost
like $20-$30, but i wouldn\'t care if TES DS cost $60-70, i\'d still buy it
in a heart beat.

See the thing is, you could make it so it has sort of Cartoonie Graphics,
like here, which i also like the interface;

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2081/elderscrollsdstv7.png

And In Morrowind and Oblivion, when we had our dreaded foes casting spells,
and us casting spells, we always did little wavy arm things, in TES DS, one
should actually need to draw the motion for the spell, i think that would be
cool, and also, making it so that the way the sword is being slashed actually
effects somehting, by using the sylus.

Say your swords in your right hand, and your enemy has a shield in his right
hand. Make it so that you can swing, and try to catch the shield at the edge,
and hit it out of the way, and then quickly stab at your foe.

more important information, etc..etc...

I know this is just a dream, that has little, to no chance of happening AT
ALL, but still, couldn\'t you atleast look into out thread i nthe forums to
get a laug out of it, if only that?

Again, here it is;

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=828102&st=0

Please read it, and get a mod to post something in it, just as proof you read
it. Cause whats to stop you from just reading this last paragraph here and
saying \'Ugh, yea, we read it.....but your idea svcks so go sell cookies and
leave the work to real men\'

so yes

Get back to me, thank you